Did I do anything wrong here? Or was it badbeat? |
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Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:45 am GMT by piposaru
I'm new to this forum, and poker in general. I've only been playing poker regularly for almost half a year. Anyways, I was so frustrated at the end of the following hand and I wondered if I had done anything wrong there.
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Hand #127847569 at table: Table TH 530
Started: Sat Nov 05 04:36:00 2005
jtommy1 is at seat 1 with 30.95
Kori23 is at seat 2 with 19.15
amybobo is at seat 3 with 18.50
morci is at seat 4 with 8.05
LASERONE is at seat 5 with 22.34
Valcsy is at seat 6 with 6.40
kesio is at seat 7 with 13.97
PokerMacik is at seat 8 with 39.50
Foldem3 is at seat 9 with 92.25
piposaru is at seat 10 with 50.35
jtommy1 posts the large blind 0.50
piposaru posts the small blind 0.25
piposaru: Qd, Qs
jtommy1: --, --
Kori23: --, --
amybobo: --, --
morci: --, --
LASERONE: --, --
Valcsy: --, --
kesio: --, --
PokerMacik: --, --
Foldem3: --, --
Pre-flop:
Kori23: Fold
amybobo: Fold
morci: Call 0.50
LASERONE: Call 0.50
Valcsy: Call 0.50
kesio: Call 0.50
PokerMacik: Fold
Foldem3: Fold
piposaru: Raise 2.00
jtommy1: Fold
morci: Call 2.00
LASERONE: Fold
Valcsy: Call 2.00
kesio: Call 2.00
Flop (Board: 5h, 10c, 9h):
piposaru: Bet 4.00 <--- tried to bet 1/2 the pot
morci: All in
Valcsy: Fold
kesio: Call 6.05
piposaru: Call 6.05
Turn (Board: 5h, 10c, 9h, 6s):
piposaru: Bet 4.00 <--- kinda knew that guy would follow suit so I bet approx. 1/2 pot again
kesio: All in
piposaru: Call 5.92
River (Board: 5h, 10c, 9h, 6s, 4s):
Showdown:
piposaru shows: Qd, Qs (a pair of Queens)
kesio shows: 3h, 7h (straight to the Seven)
Sidepot 2:
kesio wins the pot of 11.29 with straight to the Seven
morci shows: Ah, Ks (high card, Ace)
Mainpot:
kesio wins the pot of 25.80 with straight to the Seven
(1.90 rake were taken for this hand)
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Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:39 am GMT by zinn0
You didn't bet enough on the turn. Make a pot size bet, or even better, push all in. A $4 bet into a $20 pot seems weak and gives anybody who is chasing a draw pretty good odds to make the call.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:59 am GMT by tame_deuces
Your opponent played his hand in a ridiculous manner on all streets. But sometimes bad play takes the pot down.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:59 pm GMT by Johny
The way I play strong overpairs is pretty simple, bet the pot on every street, unless the board is sacry, obviously. In the particular hand, moving-in on the turn would have been your best move, protecting it against a flush draw. You have to protect your hand and betting 1/2 the pot won't do that.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:09 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Your opponent played his hand in a ridiculous manner on all streets. But sometimes bad play takes the pot down. |
He had a flush draw on the flop and a double gutter on the turn. It wasn't *that* awful.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:42 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: | | Your opponent played his hand in a ridiculous manner on all streets. But sometimes bad play takes the pot down. |
He had a flush draw on the flop and a double gutter on the turn. It wasn't *that* awful. |
Well, agreed...I have seen worse...but it wasn't pretty either. 
Posted Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:06 am GMT by pokerbrat0582
He didn't have any reason to be in that pot. You didnt bet enough. You looked weak betting half the pot thats why you got called. He thought that if he pushed you would have folded.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:09 am GMT by AHBrownell
Okay so first off - the simple answer is BAD BEAT!
However, I do have some suggestions.
 Raise more aggressively preflop if 1) you have lots of limpers or 2) its hard to get people to fold preflop. In either of these situations (or both as occurs in your sample hand) you want your opponents to have terrible odds to call with nearly every hand. 4x BB is a standard raise - but standard is not an absolute. What I tend to do is raise 3x BB and then add 1x BB per limper. So if there are 2 limpers I raise 5x BB - against 4 I raise 7x BB. This may seem a bit odd - but you really don't mind picking up 4 limpers' money preflop without any contest. AND if you only get some players out you will have easier decisions for the rest of the hand...
Betting half the pot is only a good play for certain types of boards. If there are flush draws or two sequential cards you need to bet around 2/3 the pot to a full pot sized bet. This is especially true for multiplayer pots where you have a big pot on the flop that you would like to just pick up right away. Top pair or overpair hands are dangerous because if you bet 2/3 the pot twice (flop and turn) you might be all in on the river - which is not very good because the average winning hand in holdem is two pair. Multiway pots are dangerous in this way especially because the pot is so big on the flop - and you want to get rid of some of the players ASAP. Additionally in a heads up hand you can keep pots small by checking flops (even dangerous ones) more often. I'm not going to explain why this would be useful - but basically sometimes you want to play big pots; sometimes you don't. A single pair is not a "big pot" hand imo.
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