Posted Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by Phil14312
.25/.50 NL max $50 buy-in at UB
Hero: ~$50
Villain: ~$40
Hero has 10  8 and open limps
Villain in cutoff min-raises to $1
All fold and I call.
Flop:
A  7 9
How do you guys play this?
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Posted Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:19 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Hmmmm... probably lead out with a $2 bet and maybe call up to another $2 raise. Most people will probably disagree with betting out on just a draw, but thats a pretty strong draw.
Posted Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:36 pm GMT by suitedaces84
c/r the flop. Make sure there is at least $15 in there before the turn. If his hand isn't strong enough to call your c/r you didn't want him around anyway. Even if he has AA you're only a slight dog. And you'll ouplay him on for the rest of the hand because your hand is soooo much easier to play than his (you know when you're ahead, you know when you're behind, he won't). The key is to get him pot commited or make him fold.
I'd be very surprised and dissappointed if he checked behind on the flop. And would probably get up and give him a Bill Fillmaff style beating, just to knock some sense into him.
Posted Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:44 pm GMT by fiezk
You should be OK whatever you do here as long as you get some money in the pot, you're a favourite over almost any hand. Depends on the opponent of course, but in this situation I'd bet and if he plays back at me I'd push.
If it was me holding that AK in his case I'd think I was up against at least two-pair. If he has a set of aces then that's poker, you'd still be more than 40% to win.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:20 am GMT by UrAteUp
You do have a very strong draw here both for a straight, flush and the hell mary straight flush. I would get some money into that pot. A bet of about 2xBB should do to not over play your hand but not under play it either. If he raises then flat call. If you hit on the turn then I wouldn't push too hard. You don't want to give your hand away. Hit him with a 3-4xBB if you get even the straight on the turn. Same if you hit the flush. If he pushes after that then you have an open liscense to clean his pockets of cash.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:49 pm GMT by traz
| UrAteUp wrote: | | If he raises then flat call. If you hit on the turn then I wouldn't push too hard |
If he raises, I'm up for pushing harder...while you have a great draw, I'm also not opposed to ending it right here with a reraise.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:00 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| traz wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | If he raises then flat call. If you hit on the turn then I wouldn't push too hard |
If he raises, I'm up for pushing harder...while you have a great draw, I'm also not opposed to ending it right here with a reraise. |
Why take the hand down here when you can drag it along and hit hard on the river? You can bleed more chips semi-slow playing then you can kicking all-in. But thats just how I would play it. Doesn't mean I am right or your wrong. Just two different styles of play.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:31 pm GMT by twofotisx
I think the only hand that you could be facing that would be really sucky for you is if the Villian was holding the A K . However with that good of a draw, i'm certainly not going away quickly. I agree with a 2 dollar opening bet for sure.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:26 pm GMT by TheSalche
| UrAteUp wrote: | | traz wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | If he raises then flat call. If you hit on the turn then I wouldn't push too hard |
If he raises, I'm up for pushing harder...while you have a great draw, I'm also not opposed to ending it right here with a reraise. |
Why take the hand down here when you can drag it along and hit hard on the river? You can bleed more chips semi-slow playing then you can kicking all-in. But thats just how I would play it. Doesn't mean I am right or your wrong. Just two different styles of play. |
id be more prone to taking the pot down here ... the idea and power of the 'semi-bluff' (which this essentially is ... but stronger than normal) is that you can put the hard decision for chips on your opponent, but if they call you still have a very good chance of winning ... you don't necessarily want to see a river card here, because if you wiff on your draw, you're likely to get called down
c/r the flop is a great play, gets more money in there if you take it down on the flop, and gets his chips in the middle if he calls and you hit
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:47 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I don't want to be the negative voice, but I would actually prefer not to play T8s from EP. I don't mind the principle of the hand, but I would actually prefer going lower and higher when playing suited connectors and gappers, those that lie just around the T like T9s and 89s can backfire hard.
That flop is a beauty though. I'd 'roll a dice' or consult my watch, on a 6 I call, 5 I start the betting and 1-4 I checkraise..how hard depends on the number. 
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:55 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| TheSalche wrote: | | id be more prone to taking the pot down here ... the idea and power of the 'semi-bluff' (which this essentially is ... but stronger than normal) is that you can put the hard decision for chips on your opponent, but if they call you still have a very good chance of winning ... you don't necessarily want to see a river card here, because if you wiff on your draw, you're likely to get called down |
The beauty of this hand is that you will completely pwn your oppoent on the turn and river. Any bet they call to on the on the flop will be a mirco mistake on their part at worst. Any bet they fold to will be a small mistake. The point of getting more money in now is to amplify the mistakes they make on the turn and river. If you get all the money in now or force them to fold you prevent them from making those mistakes. If the pot is $2 and a scare card hits they're not going to pay you off. If the pot is $20 and a scare card hits you're only two half pot size bets away from busting them. And since you're about even money vs villian's range the only thing to consider on the flop is getting the optimum amount of money in the pot. Getting annoying hands, like TT-KK that won't pay you off to fold is good too.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:33 am GMT by Phil14312
I checked the flop, villain bet something small, like $1. I check-raised to $3. He called. The turn filled my straight with a 6.
Now what do you do?
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:37 am GMT by suitedaces84
Bet $8-10.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:56 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Phil14312 wrote: | I checked the flop, villain bet something small, like $1. I check-raised to $3. He called. The turn filled my straight with a 6.
Now what do you do? |
I am very interested to see how this hand played out Phil.
Personally if I was playing this hand now I would bet big. You have the straight but villian could be on a flush draw and have the top cards to make a higher flush. If he wants to see the last card then he is going to pay for it dearly if I was playing the hand. I would say a bet of $10-$12.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:01 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Yeah it's important to bet big now to protect your fragile hand. 
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:13 pm GMT by tame_deuces
You hit the straight with a gapper, much better than hitting the flush + no backdoor flush draw either. Brilliant that it hit the low end too. Now try and reel him in there, right now we are hoping he has an medium to strong ace and not a PP, if he is on a PP he might be scared off. You check-raised the flop and he called, no use in checking now. bet half the pot or so maybe.
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:52 am GMT by Phil14312
My thinking on the flop:
When I check-raised him...it just scared him off TT-KK as well as KQ and maybe some lesser hands he happened to raise with. The only way I'm getting paid off is if he has AK-AT. I do not think he has a flush draw because he probably re-raises me on the flop.
The 6 is the best card I can possibly hit on the turn, outside of the straight flush. If I hit a 3rd heart, he might have the Ace and re-draw on me on the river.
I bet small...hoping the villain calls me down with an ace, or best case scenario is a slowplayed set of sevens or nines.
Either way, only a set (doubtful) or a bigger flush draw (doubtful) or two-pair are drawing live on me.
I also know my draw to the straight is fairly well disguised and he probably won't think about folding an ace unless a 3rd heart comes.
I bet $4 hoping to get a call. He folds. A little dissapointing...my guess is he has something like TT or JJ.
I'm pretty sure a bigger bet here doesn't help me out. Now, if he calls, then I make an $8-$10 bet on the river, which he probably calls as well.
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:27 pm GMT by tame_deuces
If he doesn't have an ace you won't be getting much from him anyway, if he has an ace and isn't a donk, you'll allow him to get away from the hand cheaply. A strong ace will probably pay you off on two good sized bets here.
My $0.02
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