1/2 no limit game question |
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Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:59 pm GMT by rich8
we've played 2/4 limit and a 1-8 spread game, but those games pretty much turn into everyone calling and seeing flops and catching winners on the turn or river - which pisses the heck out of me. plus these games make it harder to bluff. people say "oh it's only $4 might as well do it" type thing. i hate that.
i want to start hosting a 1/2 no limit cash game to eliminate callers, enable more bluffing, etc.
1) what should be the min or max buyin?
2) how do casinos run this game?
3) do they allow you to buy back in only after you lose your entire max buy in
4) or can you buy back up anytime but only to the max?
5) any other things i should consider
thanks for any info
rich
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Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:05 pm GMT by supafrey
All vary greatly.
Usually though, a 1/2 game is run like a .5/1 is online. So.. Making a 40-50 dollar minimum and 100 buck max would be fine. As would a 50min/200max. Either will work and are up to you. Rebuying up to the cap should also probably be allowed - this is semi-friendly, right?
Other than that it's probably fine any way you could think it up.
Oh, and learn how to play fixed limit games, you newb 
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:26 pm GMT by rich8
| supafrey wrote: |
Oh, and learn how to play fixed limit games, you newb |
oh i've tried. it's my friends that dont know how to play. 
they make me mad by holding out for the gut shot straight on the river and hitting it that makes me mad. 
i know im pretty much a newbie. but i would like to think i'm a "by the book player" - folding questionable hands when not in position, raising on high pocket pairs, etc. - pretty much a tight player. like i said its hard to scare people with $4 raises. guess my friends make too much money and $4 is nothing to them. 
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:49 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| rich8 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: |
Oh, and learn how to play fixed limit games, you newb |
oh i've tried. it's my friends that dont know how to play. |
That would make me want to play against them even more.
And I agree with Supa on the rest of the stuff. If anything lower the max buy in to $100. From my experience in these home games $100 is a good buy in to start at because with in an hour or so many players will have busted and re-bought so there will be plenty of money on the table even if you start out small. Unless someone has a gambling problem I'd allow unlimited re-buys for the max.
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:34 pm GMT by supafrey
| rich8 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: |
Oh, and learn how to play fixed limit games, you newb |
oh i've tried. it's my friends that dont know how to play.
they make me mad by holding out for the gut shot straight on the river and hitting it that makes me mad.
i know im pretty much a newbie. but i would like to think i'm a "by the book player" - folding questionable hands when not in position, raising on high pocket pairs, etc. - pretty much a tight player. like i said its hard to scare people with $4 raises. guess my friends make too much money and $4 is nothing to them. |
Yeah this post is exactly what I mean. Learn how to play fixed limit and you wouldn't be saying this =P
Posted Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:53 pm GMT by tame_deuces
If your friends like to spew chips they can in fact be much harder to beat in a no limit game than in a limit game.
My 0.02$
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:18 am GMT by twofotisx
From the Taj Mahal's 1,2 NL game
1)Min $60, Max $300 , you might think the Max is high but trust me when I say that the blinds are merely there for show. The players are normally far too aggressive to allow any limping. Normal "small" bets are around the 10 dollar range. With that in mind with 60 you only have about 6 calls worth of chips or less...
2)Normal Ring game style
3)I'm unsure but I can't imagine why the casino wouldn't allow you to reload.
4) I think that's how it would make the most sense. Like say your down to $125. You could buy back in but only so that your total chip worth is $300, in other words you could add on for is a max of $175. However if you have any amount over 300 you can't add on anything.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:34 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Firstly, rich, I will back you on your thoughts regarding FL (a.k.a. no fold'em hold'em). I can't play it worth a damn. Just call me a newbie, supa.
1) In the casinos it's $60/$300. I'd probably change that to $50/$200 for min & max for a home game.
2) See #1
3) You can rebuy back up to the max as often as you like in a casino. I've seen people add just $50 to their stack and others buy back up to the max
4) You cannot buy back for more than the max buy-in at the table. Also, remember that you cannot take chips out of your stack and "stash them" or cash them in. You cannot remove any chips from the table unless you're cashing all of them out. I saw a player try to take a $100 chip that he colored up after winning a pot and pocket it. The dealer promptly told him that you have to keep your entire bankroll on the table at all times unless you're getting up to leave. Of course, this is not inclusive of the cash in your pocket.
5) If you're going to have more money out on the table (the max buy-in is more than what you have had in the past), you may want to add another chip color representing a higher amount. In the casinos, of course, they have numerous denominations, but usually I see $1, $5, $25 and $100 chips. I really like those $100's sitting on the top of my stack. :D
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:39 pm GMT by supafrey
newbie.
I'm not saying it takes much skill necessarily to beat those low limit games - just an adjustment. play like a robot with some certain ideals in mind and you won't lose. simple.
Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:31 am GMT by howzit
having a high buy-in for new players will cause them to go bust sooner.
also, for action players, never put yourself in a situation where you can lose more money than you can win. (i.e. everybody buys in short and plays top-pair poker)
my games have a $40-$500 buy in. however player pool is almost limitless.
Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:10 am GMT by ZZZinindy
If you just want a fun small NL game for some "newbie's"/ friends/whatever.
Make the buy in $25. no more, no less.
Rebuy anytime your stack gets below $25 to $25.
One blind of $1... not two (This does add to the limping factor but keeps the pots on the smaller side.....)
I have played this way a few times and its not a bad game to learn/practice your NL skills at a "cheaper" rate.
ZZZ
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:48 pm GMT by AHBrownell
Ok so usually a buy-in ranges in these situations. Often online it is 100x BB, so $200 in this case. But in casinos you often see something like 2-3 blinds with $100 buy-ins.
Similarly the rebuy structure works differently according to how you want to set it up, but its often you rebuy once you cross a threshold - so once you are under $50 you can reload to $100.
This being said, I recommend playing tournament style at home games. What I mean is, have a low buy-in of like 10 or 20 bucks and that gets you say 100 chips. You play until everyone busts out and one person is SUPREME CHAMPION! You then make a prize breakdown of like top 2 or 4 places pay out. Winner gets like 50% of the prize pot, 2nd gets say 25%, 3rd gets 15%, and 4th gets money back.
This is fun because not too much money is at risk and you can allow rebuys for the 100 chips when ppl bust out to a certain time limit (say 1-2 hours into the session).
You typically will increase the blinds every 20 mins to half an hour 1-2, 2-4, 3-6, etc.
Highly recommended. GL HF
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:34 pm GMT by JackKingOff
what is a 1-8 spread??!  heheh
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:14 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| JackKingOff wrote: | | what is a 1-8 spread??! heheh |
Basically that you can bet an amount between 1-8 in a betting round.
Posted Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:19 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | I recommend playing tournament style at home games. |
This does work well, however, I recommend you have a pool table, dart board or some other form of entertainment for people who have already gone out of the tournament. There is not much worse than being the first out of a tourney and having to sit around for 2 hours with nothing to do but wait for your friends who are still playing.
If you're looking for a long night (6+ hours) of cards, then a cash game would be recommended over tournament play. You can also do both by having a cash game start just as soon as there are enough people out of the tournament for a table.
Posted Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:45 am GMT by Cyberhwk
Our poker night is cash games and a tourney.
Small cash game before the tourney starts. .25/.50 blinds. Initial buy-in is only $5, but after the game starts you can buy in up to what the chip leader has in front of them. This keeps the chip leader honest, good for a friendly game. Money MOVES in this game because of the initial blind vs. stack comparison as well as the fact that if anyone DOES gain a chip lead, the $5 buy-ins all start gunning for him trying to double up. If you're lucky you can pay for your tourney buy in. Cash out when it's done.
Run the tourney. $20 buy in, $5000 in chips.
Resume the cash game from the beginning. Now you have your chance to make your $20 back.
If you're looking at $1/$2 sounds like 5/NL probably isn't your thing but maybe you could use a similer structure of buying up to the chip leader. Another advantage is that low rollers can always leave when the cash game gets too expensive.
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