Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:19 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Hero is UTG+2 with J J
UTG+2 and UTG+3 are loose passive/passive. , SB is unknown.
UTG folds
Hero Bets
UTG+2 Calls
UTG+3 Calls
SB Calls
Flop: K , 9, Q
SB Bets, Hero Raises, UTG+2 Calls, UTG+3 Calls, SB Folds
Turn: 2
Hero bets, UTG+2 Calls, UTG+3 Calls
River: K
Hero bets....
*edit*
Fixed Limit
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Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:38 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Is this NL?
I think I would have check-called that River or even checked the Turn. It is very possible that one or both of the players listed were on a straight draw looking for one of your J's and also the other could have K - low kicker or even AQ (not likely, but you did say they were passive). The Flop bet got you some information about their hand, but not much since their were two overs and you had two callers....both could be beating you.
I doubt any of them were on the spade draw, but since they are loose players, I would still give it some consideration.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:40 pm GMT by tame_deuces
It was Fixed limit. 
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:06 pm GMT by twofotisx
with just one caller on a loose table it's possible to think that you have the best of it, however with two callers it's highly probable that you were beaten after the flop. Since you lead out, if one of the callers raised back I'd fold it down.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:12 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I find this alot in online poker and in the cardrooms. You feel you might have the best hand but an over card hits the board. You bet and no one raises so you do feel you have the best hand. The turn comes off and doesn't look threatening to you and most likely isn't so you bet. This whole time though another player could possibly be playing a K in their hand and slow playing you. Letting you hang yourself. The river comes out and it is a threat in more ways then one. It puts a possible flush draw out there as well as gives any player with a K the set. I think I would have checked post flop. If not then for sure after the turn. If you checked after the turn and someone bet then that would have been a good indication that someone was playing a K's most likely.
Posted Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:30 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Well, I'm not happy about this hand or the play in it.
On the flop I'm basically thinking...I should fold because there are two overs...both likely in play...and I have no backdoor draw and only a sketchy SD. But if I start letting JJ,QQ and similar go in huge pots without even fighting back...well..that seemed weak to me, plus I guess was playing abit tilted..so when SB raised, I re-raised...planning to fold to further resistance. The donks had me somewhat worried, but trust me, they could be coldcalling with nothing at all here. Then the turn comes a blank and I'm thinking like this. I can check, but then I have to fold, and I might actually fold the best hand still. If I bet, I can atleast beat a Q, and I can fold if re-raised...both the buggers now called again. When the second king fell it was a mixxed moment...the chances now was better that I actually held the best hand, but certainly anyone holding a K would now never fold, but an unimproved Q might still fold on the river So I bet again, once again planning to fold to a raise.
That was my reasoning atleast...but as said...I didn't post this hand because I'm proud of it, I posted it because I need someone to tell me what to do here. Fold the flop, stop playing poker, start dating more?
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:07 am GMT by Ciso_B
check/fold post flop. f*ck playing JJ to a board of 2 overs with loose guys.
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:43 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Forgot the results.
I never figured out what they had, both folded.
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:07 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
hey man, you won the pot, so you couldn't have done too much wrong...i was wondering wut happened the whole time.....you were betting as if you had a king....w/ loose passive players tho its tough to know if yer beat cuz they never fight back....depending on how well you think you knew yer guys you coulda either checked the flop hoping for somebody to bet something to represent a k or q....cuz at least if they bet yer pretty sure they've got it.....or ya coulda kept betting thinking that if you keep betting like that then they should know you've got em beat, especially since the'll stick around w/ so many hands....and it seems to have been the later....or maybe they didnt have shit and just called for the hell of it the whole time....just keep watching they're betting patterns and studying their play for next time
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