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Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:39 am GMT by snoogins47
Low-mid stakes limit game online. 3-handed. Best way I can describe villain is "reasonable"
Hero is dealt Kh8h
Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls
Flop: Ts Th 8c
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero ______
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Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:26 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Call and lead the turn on anything but a Q or 7.
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:28 am GMT by zinn0
Hero folds.
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:06 am GMT by Nut Flush
running tens and you lost to an Ace kicker?
Posted Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:58 am GMT by zinn0
Does villain have A8o?
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:28 am GMT by AHBrownell
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:02 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| AHBrownell wrote: | | How much was the preflop raise? |
It's a limit game, so one small bet.
| AHBrownell wrote: | | If it wasn't much, you really could put the BB on about anything here. |
It's 3-handed, and knowing Snoo, this guy is probably on supermegadiapertilt, so you could put him on any pair, two overs, or a straight draw.
| AHBrownell wrote: | | This is one thing odd about your description - if the player is in the BB why are you first to act on the flop? |
3-handed, button folded. What's left?
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | It's 3-handed, and knowing Snoo, this guy is probably on supermegadiapertilt, so you could put him on any pair, two overs, or a straight draw. |
I don't think he's tilting, but he's a strong player/regular, so his range is somewhere in that realm anyway. Not only are there a lot of 'legit' hands that will raise here that I have beat, but there's a probability signifcantly >0 that he would do this with a lot of hands that bear no relation to the flop.
I was hoping this hand would generate more discussion, as I think these blind battles are one of the most fascinating facets of the game, and one of the most important as well, when playing shorthanded. This is a shining example of why being out of position could suck a golf-ball through a garden hose.
The important question, I think, is not necessarily how much credit to give him, but how to respond to the range he has.
What happened in the real hand:
BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls
Turn: Itsy Bitsy card with some suit attached
Hero bets, BB raises
Most people aren't cool enough to do this on a draw, with a worse 8, or with a pair <99. Hero folds.
Now, we all argue about whether my line is best, Sean's is best, or some other line is best. Go.
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:17 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Blindstealing is FL on steroids.
You got a pair of 8s, are drawing slim against a ten, if he has an 8 you are likely to have the best kicker. If he has something that beats you that hasn't hit the board, I think most of those raise you preflop...even if he is tricky...
I think villain could be getting nasty with a fairly wide range here...figuring that the board missed you and I don't think he necessarily had you beat...the pot is pretty bloated now I'd go clench my teeth and go for the call-down. I wouldn't expect to win, but I think my % chance is bigger than two big bets/total pot.
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:22 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| snoogins47 wrote: | | Most people aren't cool enough to do this on a draw, with a worse 8, or with a pair <99. Hero folds. |
I do the same on the turn, but I think the stop-and-go has the same effect and saves you a small bet on the flop.
Posted Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:24 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I'll also add that I think that this is a 3-handed game gives much us higher equity, since much more marginal hands will be played and especially so when it is plausible villain could be putting hero on a blindsteal.
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