Posted Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:14 pm GMT by AHBrownell
Ok so I have been curious about something.
When I come into a pot first I always raise - however things seem to get more complicated when other players enter the pot.
Based on the gap concept. Which hands will you call a call with, raise a call with? Which hands will you call a raise with, raise a raise with? In each position...
For example:
I will call a call with any hand I would usually raise with in a given position.
I will call a 3x-4x BB raise with pairs TT and larger, AKs, AK, AQs, AQ in most positions; if I suspect a steal on the blinds I will call with more hands including: AJs, AJ, ATs, AT, KQs, and likely any pair 7 or larger.
I will raise a call with premium hands including: AA, KK, QQ, AKs, and AK.
I will raise a raise with these same hands some of the time, but always with AA or KK.
This is a complicated Q. Just curious what you guys do, and recommend. Thanks. 
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Posted Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:15 pm GMT by racquet000
Theres no deffinite answer. I will play any cards in any postion if i know my table. No hand is the same. Its all in feel. I know thats not the answer your looking for but ive been playing cards for awhile. I could tell you the correct way to play this and the correct way to play that. But if everybody played that way nobody would win. 
Posted Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:21 pm GMT by supafrey
that was the worst answer i've ever heard racquet. ever.
Posted Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:54 pm GMT by racquet000
| supafrey wrote: | | that was the worst answer i've ever heard racquet. ever. |
Lol maybe you took it to far. My point was it all depends on feel. Not superstious feel. Actuall what you feel feel. sorry it didnt suit your needs And you shouldnt have a set game plan reguarding certian hands.
Posted Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:08 pm GMT by tame_deuces
In NL I think the gap concept isnt that important.
Implied odds are much more important.
Ie. will your opponent pay you off if you hit. In that case you can call with a very wide range of hands, just avoid those that are likely to be dominated by a preflop raise (dont meet a raise with KJo for instance) or hands that leave you unsure if your hand is most likely to be best.
And you don't necessarily need a very strong hand to raise with in the first place either, in NL deception can be the most important thing there is. If your opponent thinks you hold an overpair, but you are in reality drawing to a low straight...well...he might make mistakes he wouldn't have done otherwise.
Now, I'm talking from experience in low stakes no limit. I don't have experience with high stakes no limit.
Posted Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:37 am GMT by snoogins47
This question is nearly impossible to answer, because it's so heavily dependent on your skill, your opponents skill/tendencies, stack sizes, and the like. I might say that I'd call any 6xBB raise with 33. I might say this because my opponents are awful and we play with 500BB stacks. This might suck in a game against tougher opponents where we only have 25BB stacks.
Anyway, this is a bit of an aside:
The gap concept. What is it?
It's not some magical formula for figuring out what hands to play in certain positions. It's not some algorithm that David Sklansky developed with millions and millions of complicated simulations that you'll never be able to recreate.
It's simple. You need a better hand to play against a raise than you do to make a raise.
Why is this? It's quite simple. Let's make up a 1-card-poker game, with all 13 ranks. There are 13 cards in the deck: one of each rank. Betting goes in a manner similar to poker, and then the highest card wins the pot.
Say that for whatever reason, your opponent decides it is in his best interest to raise the pot coming in with any card 7 or higher. You have this same philosophy.
Your opponent raises coming in. You have an 8. You have a hand that is good enough for your opponent to have raised. You even have a hand that can beat something your opponent would raise (7). But you're in absolutely awful shape, and it's easy to see why. In this specific case, you're a 6:1 underdog in the hand.
Posted Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:22 pm GMT by racquet000
| snoogins47 wrote: | | This question is nearly impossible to answer |
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