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a few hands, a little advice



Posted Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:22 pm GMT by zinn0
Here are a few stud hands for the kiddies. Wondering which situations should I raise in, etc. Thanks for any and all advice, crticism, insight, and general ramblings.


Should I have taken command of the pot once my board paired 8's, or did I make the right move by waiting until I made my draw?

PokerStars Game #3118388838: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/21 - 12:48:15 (ET)
Table 'Irenaea'
Seat 1: rromeo ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 3: ZigFelt ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: festus estes ($4.15 in chips)
Seat 5: diehard44 ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 6: zinn0 ($2.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Cue&Cushion ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 8: DailyGrind ($33.35 in chips)
rromeo: posts the ante $0.05
ZigFelt: posts the ante $0.05
festus estes: posts the ante $0.05
diehard44: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
Cue&Cushion: posts the ante $0.05
DailyGrind: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Nine of Diamonds
Dealt to ZigFelt Queen of Hearts
Dealt to festus estes Ten of Clubs
Dealt to diehard44 Seven of Clubs
Dealt to zinn0 Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of Spades
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Queen of Diamonds
Dealt to DailyGrind Seven of Hearts
zinn0: brings-in low $0.10
Cue&Cushion: calls $0.10
DailyGrind: folds
rromeo: calls $0.10
ZigFelt: calls $0.10
CASINO13 joins the table at seat #2
festus estes: calls $0.10
diehard44: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Nine of Diamonds Jack of Hearts
Dealt to ZigFelt Queen of Hearts Five of Hearts
Dealt to festus estes Ten of Clubs Eight of Diamonds
Dealt to zinn0 Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of Spades Eight of Spades
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Queen of Diamonds Ace of Hearts
Cue&Cushion: bets $0.25
rromeo: calls $0.25
DailyGrind is sitting out
ZigFelt: calls $0.25
festus estes: calls $0.25
zinn0: calls $0.25
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Nine of DiamondsJack of Hearts Three of Diamonds
Dealt to ZigFelt Queen of HeartsFive of Hearts Five of Diamonds
Dealt to festus estes Ten of ClubsEight of Diamonds Two of Hearts
Dealt to zinn0 Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of SpadesEight of Spades Eight of Clubs
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Queen of DiamondsAce of Hearts Five of Clubs
zinn0: checks
DailyGrind leaves the table
Cue&Cushion: checks
rromeo: checks
ZigFelt: bets $0.50
festus estes: folds
zinn0: calls $0.50
Cue&Cushion: calls $0.50
rromeo: calls $0.50
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Nine of DiamondsJack of HeartsThree of Diamonds Three of Clubs
Dealt to ZigFelt Queen of HeartsFive of HeartsFive of Diamonds Ten of Hearts
Dealt to zinn0 Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of SpadesEight of SpadesEight of Clubs King of Spades
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Queen of DiamondsAce of HeartsFive of Clubs Seven of Diamonds
livinlf4me joins the table at seat #8
zinn0: bets $0.50
Cue&Cushion: folds
rromeo: calls $0.50
ZigFelt: calls $0.50
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of SpadesEight of SpadesEight of ClubsKing of Spades Three of Hearts
zinn0: bets $0.50
rromeo: calls $0.50
ZigFelt: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zinn0: shows Five of SpadesThree of SpadesSix of SpadesEight of SpadesEight of ClubsKing of SpadesThree of Hearts (a flush, King high)
rromeo: mucks hand
ZigFelt: mucks hand


Wondering if I should have tried to be more agressive here...

PokerStars Game #3118374216: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/21 - 12:45:19 (ET)
Table 'Irenaea'
Seat 1: rromeo ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 2: flossmore17 ($15.85 in chips)
Seat 4: festus estes ($6.95 in chips)
Seat 6: zinn0 ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 7: Cue&Cushion ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 8: DailyGrind ($29.90 in chips)
rromeo: posts the ante $0.05
flossmore17: posts the ante $0.05
festus estes: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
Cue&Cushion: posts the ante $0.05
DailyGrind: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Jack of Hearts
Dealt to flossmore17 Two of Spades
Dealt to festus estes Six of Diamonds
Dealt to zinn0 Three of DiamondsKing of DiamondsSeven of Diamonds
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Four of Clubs
Dealt to DailyGrind Ten of Hearts
flossmore17: brings-in low $0.10
festus estes: folds
zinn0: calls $0.10
festus estes leaves the table
Cue&Cushion: calls $0.10
DailyGrind: raises $0.15 to $0.25
rromeo: calls $0.25
flossmore17: folds
zinn0: calls $0.15
Cue&Cushion: calls $0.15
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Jack of Hearts Eight of Spades
Dealt to zinn0 Three of DiamondsKing of DiamondsSeven of Diamonds Seven of Clubs
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Four of Clubs Eight of Diamonds
Dealt to DailyGrind Ten of Hearts Nine of Spades
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
zinn0: checks
Cue&Cushion: checks
DailyGrind: bets $0.50
rromeo: folds
zinn0: calls $0.50
Cue&Cushion: folds
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Three of DiamondsKing of DiamondsSeven of DiamondsSeven of Clubs Three of Spades
Dealt to DailyGrind Ten of HeartsNine of Spades Jack of Spades
zinn0: checks
DailyGrind: bets $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Three of DiamondsKing of DiamondsSeven of DiamondsSeven of ClubsThree of Spades Two of Clubs
Dealt to DailyGrind Ten of HeartsNine of SpadesJack of Spades Four of Diamonds
zinn0: checks
DailyGrind: bets $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Three of DiamondsKing of DiamondsSeven of DiamondsSeven of ClubsThree of SpadesTwo of Clubs Four of Spades
zinn0: checks
DailyGrind: bets $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DailyGrind: shows Ten of ClubsTwo of DiamondsTen of HeartsNine of SpadesJack of SpadesFour of DiamondsJack of Clubs (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
zinn0: mucks hand


Is this a playable hand?

PokerStars Game #3118351891: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/21 - 12:40:49 (ET)
Table 'Irenaea'
Seat 1: rromeo ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 2: flossmore17 ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 4: festus estes ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 6: zinn0 ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: Cue&Cushion ($4.05 in chips)
Seat 8: DailyGrind ($32.60 in chips)
rromeo: posts the ante $0.05
flossmore17: posts the ante $0.05
festus estes: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
Cue&Cushion: posts the ante $0.05
DailyGrind: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to rromeo Eight of Hearts
Dealt to flossmore17 Two of Diamonds
Dealt to festus estes Ten of Spades
Dealt to zinn0 Nine of ClubsSeven of DiamondsEight of Diamonds
Dealt to Cue&Cushion Four of Spades
Dealt to DailyGrind Six of Hearts
flossmore17: brings-in low $0.10
festus estes: folds
zinn0: folds


Should I have re-raised here? The pair on his board made me a little nervous and I just weakly called him down.

PokerStars Game #3117995418: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/21 - 11:21:42 (ET)
Table 'Irma IV'
Seat 1: alysiaabate ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 2: zinn0 ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 3: edvardok ($2.55 in chips)
Seat 5: GatoKaKa ($24.75 in chips)
alysiaabate: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
edvardok: posts the ante $0.05
GatoKaKa: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to alysiaabate Nine of Hearts
Dealt to zinn0 Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of Clubs
Dealt to edvardok Seven of Hearts
Dealt to GatoKaKa Queen of Spades
edvardok: brings-in low $0.10
GatoKaKa: calls $0.10
alysiaabate: folds
zinn0: calls $0.10
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of Clubs Nine of Spades
Dealt to edvardok Seven of Hearts Two of Clubs
Dealt to GatoKaKa Queen of Spades Eight of Spades
GatoKaKa: checks
zinn0: checks
edvardok: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of ClubsNine of Spades Queen of Clubs
Dealt to edvardok Seven of HeartsTwo of Clubs Jack of Diamonds
Dealt to GatoKaKa Queen of SpadesEight of Spades Three of Hearts
zinn0: bets $0.50
edvardok: calls $0.50
GatoKaKa: calls $0.50
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of ClubsNine of SpadesQueen of Clubs Eight of Hearts
Dealt to edvardok Seven of HeartsTwo of ClubsJack of Diamonds Two of Spades
Dealt to GatoKaKa Queen of SpadesEight of SpadesThree of Hearts King of Clubs
edvardok: checks
GatoKaKa: checks
zinn0: bets $0.50
edvardok: calls $0.50
GatoKaKa: folds
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of ClubsNine of SpadesQueen of ClubsEight of Hearts Four of Hearts
edvardok: checks
zinn0: bets $0.50
edvardok: raises $0.50 to $1
zinn0: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
edvardok: shows Ten of HeartsEight of DiamondsSeven of HeartsTwo of ClubsJack of DiamondsTwo of SpadesNine of Clubs (a straight, Seven to Jack)
zinn0: shows Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of ClubsNine of SpadesQueen of ClubsEight of HeartsFour of Hearts (a straight, Eight to Queen)
zinn0 collected $4.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5 | Rake $0.20
Seat 1: alysiaabate folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zinn0 showed Ten of ClubsAce of SpadesJack of ClubsNine of SpadesQueen of ClubsEight of HeartsFour of Hearts and won ($4.80) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: edvardok showed Ten of HeartsEight of DiamondsSeven of HeartsTwo of ClubsJack of DiamondsTwo of SpadesNine of Clubs and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack


Do I need to be more agressive with this one? He is showing 7's, but keeps checking and lets me catch up...not sure what to do here.

PokerStars Game #3117977748: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/21 - 11:17:30 (ET)
Table 'Irma IV'
Seat 2: zinn0 ($5 in chips)
Seat 3: edvardok ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: GatoKaKa ($27.90 in chips)
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
edvardok: posts the ante $0.05
thimote: is sitting out
thimote leaves the table
GatoKaKa: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of Spades
Dealt to edvardok Ace of Spades
Dealt to GatoKaKa Seven of Hearts
exoticbty leaves the table
zinn0: brings-in low $0.10
edvardok: folds
GatoKaKa: calls $0.10
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of Spades Six of Hearts
Dealt to GatoKaKa Seven of Hearts Seven of Clubs
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
GatoKaKa: checks
zinn0: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of SpadesSix of Hearts Eight of Clubs
Dealt to GatoKaKa Seven of HeartsSeven of Clubs Ten of Diamonds
GatoKaKa: checks
zinn0: checks
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to zinn0 Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of SpadesSix of HeartsEight of Clubs Eight of Diamonds
Dealt to GatoKaKa Seven of HeartsSeven of ClubsTen of Diamonds King of Spades
zinn0: bets $0.50
GatoKaKa: calls $0.50
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of SpadesSix of HeartsEight of ClubsEight of Diamonds Queen of Clubs
zinn0: bets $0.50
GatoKaKa: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zinn0: shows Four of ClubsFour of DiamondsThree of SpadesSix of HeartsEight of ClubsEight of DiamondsQueen of Clubs (two pair, Eights and Fours)
GatoKaKa: mucks hand


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Posted Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:38 pm GMT by TheSalche
Oh boy here we go ...

First hand, I think you played it well, the 8 on 5th is kind of unfortunate since it puts you to act first, which means if you go for a check/raise you may miss a round of betting altogether, I would've gone for a check raise on 6th though, both zigfelt and rromeo caught cards that probably helped out their hands (or they're already married to two pair)

Second hand, checking when you have a pair on the board is a big mistake ... even though it doesnt match anything, you should bet here IMO, you've got an overcard + your flush draw. I really dislike check/calling with the weak two pair though, either get more aggressive with it or fold it.

Third hand is almost playable, obviously you're two 'immediate' straight cards are dead, but if you catch a 10 or a 6, all the jacks and fives are still live. Only one of your pair cards is dead, and you have a two flush with only 1 dead card ... I'd play this one to 4th, maybe even to a raise if theres a caller or two. But if you brick 4th, throw the hand away.

Fourth hand, this is kind of player dependent here, but I think calling when you're opponent may have caught a boat is fine. The fact that he brought his hand in means he may or may not have a 7 or a duece in the hole to start with. But I'm a v@gina sometimes.

Fifth hand, bet on 6th is fine, you have a pair bigger than his 7s, he'd need a king or ten in the hole, or a bigger pair to be beating you here ... you may want to check/call the river, but betting is fine too.



Posted Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:07 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
i say hand 3 stay in for 4th hand and if u get an open ender than u can stay in unless your cards get too dead Smile



man when i saw that i though u gonna show one of my donk plays lol



Posted Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:11 pm GMT by zinn0
Jernej Zorec wrote:
man when i saw that i though u gonna show one of my donk plays lol


I didn't see anything 'donkish' from you. Then again, we only played about 15 or 20 hands. Twisted Evil

Just kidding. It was nice to actually sit down and recogninze someone from the forum. I've only done that one other time when I bumped into nickhow over at fulltilt.






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