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Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:31 am GMT by Phil14312
.25/.50 $50 NL on UB.
Hero: about $130
Villain: about $70
*Villain plays fast and is in a lot of pots but is playing well. He is also the one who claimed to be on the WPT.
5 limpers, I am in the BB with J4o and get a free play.
Flop: J 4 2 rainbow
I check, hoping to trap villain. Checks around to villain who bets pot $3.
I call. Turn is: 6
I check, villain bets pot $9. I check-raise to $20. Villain immediately goes all-in for $50 more.
What are your thoughts?
I really didn't want see a re-raise here. I showed complete strength and he didn't back down. I don't think he was the type of player to put his whole stack in with just one pair on that board. I had this sick feeling he had 22 or 44, maybe 66.
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Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:10 am GMT by ScanX
or 53
if the guy plays solid like u said, this doesnt smell good.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:14 am GMT by Muck
I think I’d need to build more of a picture of the villain. What position did he limp from? Has he been caught on any bluffs? What do you think his opinion is of you?
If we’re just going on the general overview of “he seems competent” then I’d say over 65% of the time you’re beat here. It’s a very risky bluff (thus unlikely) to re-raise all-in to a player who’s check-called the flop and check-raised the turn.
NB: I don’t like the check-call on the flop much, I think I’d go for a bet or check-raise and just try to take it down there. If he came back with a really big/disproportionate re-raise or all-in I might lay it down.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:40 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hard to say what villian is hiding in his hand. It could be AJ or it could be something that gives him a set. Villian could be on a stone cold bluff as well and just wanting to show you up. Hard to say. Personally if you think something is up then might be best just to lay it down and come at him another hand. Watch those traps too. They can come back to haunt you.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:40 pm GMT by TheSalche
i definetly smell a set ... if villain is solid he probably wouldn't be making this big of a bet with top pair top kicker
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:23 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I'd guess he has one of the following hands:
J6
53
22
44
66
AJ
I'd probably fold here. I agree also, that a check raise or a bet on the flop would have made this hand much easier to play.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:19 pm GMT by PureReKop
My guess is 5/3 that explains why he bet on the flop.
Anyways what did you do? If you called let us know what he had Im very curious.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:23 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
he coulda had J2 also....or even 42....5 limpers makes all kinds of hands playable depending on position
wut position did he limp from?....wut's your table image looking like?
did that 6 match the 4 or the 2 suit-wise?....if so that makes AJs w/ the nut flush draw more likely
considering the pot is $38 by the time he goes all-in, its a nice pot to bluff/semi-bluff at....and this talk of being at a wpt event means he's trying to act strong right?(could be an act if you think he's at least decent)....of course yer check raise is scary, again it depends on yer image
when there are that many ppl seeing the flop, it makes ppl think that even a premium hand mite be beat by some monster.....its a dangerous fine line, but if you feel like you can bluff it, you have that extra scary factor cuz so many ppl saw the flop, ppl think you must have a monster....plus the big pot helps yer situation too
anyways, wut happened in the end?....i dont understand how ppl can post this kinda stuff w/o saying wut happened...the suspense!...i cant take it 
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:46 pm GMT by Phil14312
I try not to post results because I think results skew what people say about the hand.
I folded, here is my reasoning:
The guy had been playing pretty reasonably, loose and aggressive, but hadn't really been showing down big bluffs. He had built his stack up by playing aggressively and what I thought was good poker. Well, turns out I probably had him beat on this hand, as from here he started to bluff, bluff, bluff until people were calling their whole stacks against him with middle pair and winning. I think I had him beat, but the more I think about the more I think he might have had 53. He limped from the cutoff after 4-5 limpers. My table image was pretty tight, nobody really got involved with me in small pots, and I had won a few medium sized pots with decent cards, so I feel I had respect. I saw this guy make a real similar play with J4 on a board of J 7 8 6. He bet and got raised on the flop, called, and then went all-in on the turn.
Bottom line, I didn't get to see his cards and it sucks. I asked him a little while later and he didn't tell me what he had. 53 makes perfect sense for him there, as does 22 or (less likely) 44.
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:51 pm GMT by Phil14312
I also forgot to say some hour or so later I lost my stack, and a $240 pot, when I ran up against quads. Board was K 2 2 8 6 and I had pocket sixes. He had pocket deuces.
I limp with 2 others and the flop comes K 2 2.
Checked to me and I bet pot, $2.
Only the BB calls, and now I know he has a 2, I'm not betting anymore.
Turn is an 8 he checks I check behind him.
River: 6
He bets $2, I raise to $7, he raises to $30. Now I think that he has K2, KK, 22, 82, or 62. I am pretty sure he would not slow-play his KK pre-flop based on the read I had. He would not have stayed on the flop with 88. So he has K2, 82, 62, or 22. I bet $80 and he puts the rest of his stack in $35 more bucks. I call and lose to 22.
I did actually think long and hard about just calling his $30 raise, but decided K2 was the most likely and I thought he would call here with a lesser boat. Does anyone not do this?
Posted Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:59 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Phil14312 wrote: |
I did actually think long and hard about just calling his $30 raise, but decided K2 was the most likely and I thought he would call here with a lesser boat. Does anyone not do this? |
I push everytime.
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