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Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:10 am GMT by Dave B
playing 6/12 at the local casino and looking to go home I get dealt K 4 suited on the button. 4 callers so I limp in, small blind raises to 2 bets, everyone calls-now 6 in the pot. Flop comes K 5 4 rainbow, nice! Someone early bets, I raise, only one caller (not the 1st raiser). Turn comes 5, crap, now I have a fairly weak hand. I am checked to and bet. Check raise-no good, I call hoping for a high card on the board to use as my kicker, besides now there is $150+ in the pot.
River 4-awesome, I make my boat. He bets, I raise, he reraises, I four bet. He calls. I figure him for AA AK KQ maybe A5. He turns over KK. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!! He slow played me to the turn and then I was already in to deep. I never was holding the winner, but I dont see how I could have played it differently. Dropped about $100 on a single hand.
He said that he would have reraised me again, but he didnt grab enough chips and didnt want to string raise. He also lost a boat to quad 4s the last time out and still had it fresh in his head. So I was lucky to save the extra $12 I guess.
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Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:23 am GMT by saper88aa
I might consider that a bad beat.But that poker. It happenes to the best of us.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:57 am GMT by Matt T
What's a "string raise"?
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:08 am GMT by Dave B
It is when you put out enough chips to call (or not enough to raise) and then go back to your stack for more chips. This only applies if you did not verbally say "raise" prior to moving.
This is so a player wont put chips out there and try to get a reaction out of the next player to act. If the call is $3 and he puts out $3, then wants to raise, the next player may have already acted assuming a call and folded, called or reraised.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:56 am GMT by blue eyes
ouch Dave, that's the luck part of poker, sometimes it works for you, sometimes against, and second best hand is the unluckiest hand in the world, but I think I can make you feel better even if just a little. Consider what would have happened if you were playing online at a no limit table, double ouch !!!
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:46 am GMT by Dave B
The rule where I play is no cap on the betting heads up. We had a hand earlier where I had 89 in the big blind. A 6 7 rainbow was flopped and the 5 came on the turn. After 5-6 bets I put my remaining $200 out there and asked if the guy just wants to put me all in. He agreed and we both knew that we were playing the same cards.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:22 pm GMT by ballbp
It would have been nice if he was playing 3 4. I guess he wouldn't have put all his chips in on that but he might have gone a long way with you until he realized you probably had 8 9.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:49 pm GMT by Dave B
I was hoping he had 4 8 or AA, but it quickly became obvious. FYI-there was a possible flush draw after the turn, but I hled the 8 of that suite-so he would have been either drawing for the flush (in which case my str8 was good) or he couldnt have had it.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:55 pm GMT by racquet000
Yeah thats harsh. Sucks when you hit big and you think you own the hand. Only to find out you never were ahead. 
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:19 pm GMT by mindgame
Dave,
You surely realize this validates John Vourhaus dictum:
LITTLES ARE POISEN.
And his further reminder that they will "poisen" your big cards. Man, you want to go in there with K4, even suited, you KNOW you are taking risks like that.
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:43 am GMT by ScanX
yeah mindgame the hand was pretty weak at start but when you hit your full house you cannot fear tha risk, you have to play it strong like Dave did...you can't only play the nuts that strongly
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:16 am GMT by JohnnyCache
The only thing that a suited high low is worth a damn for is a two in the pocket flush. . .
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:15 am GMT by Dave B
The only reason I was in the hand is that I was up on the night, ready to go and looking to get into one or two more pots in the last 10. I will typically throw out K9 suited, unless I am on a major heater up huge.
That was the beauty of it-I should not have been in the hand and got just enough cards to lose a ton of money. The same scenario plays out time and time again. Some lessons need to be taught over over and over again before they sink in.
I care less about losing the money, I dont like being outplayed and walking into traps.
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:44 am GMT by mindgame
Yeah, you sound like me. You get so damn competitive that you just don't want a guy making a play like that on you and it's not even about the money. I want to have him stretch his innermost self out across the table...then plunge a knife through it. Ow...that's an ugly way to play...why do I like it so much?
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:58 am GMT by Dave B
On may way home I recalled that I went from 200 down to 300 up in about 30 hands-mostly at the same guys expense. So I got him 3 times, he got me for on big one.
Lately my problem has been not wanting to leave. I am so pumped for Vegas in 2 weeks-not having to get home to kids or work means that I can play for 24 hours straight if I want to.
How long do you typically play mindgame? others? I dont feel like 4 hours is enough, I am ok w/ 6 hours-but I prefer longer. I am referring to live games where you can learn more about others than how they click.
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:10 pm GMT by Sundance
I like to play at least 6 hours, no more than 9. I have followed Mindgames advice and go to the boats at around 5am on Sat. or Sun morning and clean up for a few hours. There are always 3 or 4 guys there from the night before that don't when to leave, or have been winning and cannot quit..
I would do the same in Vegas, one morning go to bed early and show up at the poker room about 4-5 AM and make a killing. In Vegas I tried to play all day -once, never again.. too mentally exhausting..
I like to play in shifts of around 4-6 hours. sleep, and then go back..
Posted Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:12 pm GMT by mindgame
Now I hate to concede my age just yet, but let's just say I'm past my poker prime...
Used to play 12-14 at a shot...now I don't like to go past 9 or 10.
My average session is 5-7 hours now, but that's mostly because I can't usually play before 6 or 7 at night. I'm just not worth a damn past 2 am anymore. Used to be I won all my money between 10:30 pm and 5:30 am. Part stamina, part dicsipline; fact is people get really sloppy in the wee hours. Now I just go in at 5 or 6 on Sat or Sunday and take them when their falling asleep at the table after a long winning night.
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