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Posted Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:55 am GMT by jaf625
Stage #247267037 Tourney ID 53156 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $50 - 2005-11-24 01:07:49 (ET)
Table: 4286002 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - VIPER92262 ($2605 in chips)
Seat 4 - SLICK999988 ($2695 in chips)
Seat 5 - CANPLAY2 ($1110 in chips)
Seat 6 - R3DSOX ($2170 in chips)
Seat 8 - WDRKY ($3915 in chips)
Seat 9 - JAF625 ($1005 in chips)
SLICK999988 - Posts small blind $50
CANPLAY2 - Posts big blind $75
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to JAF625 King of SpadesKing of Clubs
R3DSOX - Folds
WDRKY - Calls $75
JAF625 - Raises $300 to $300
VIPER92262 - Folds
SLICK999988 - Calls $250
CANPLAY2 - Folds
WDRKY - Calls $225
*** FLOP *** Four of SpadesThree of ClubsTen of Hearts
SLICK999988 - Checks
WDRKY - Bets $225
JAF625 - All-In(Raise) $705 to $705
SLICK999988 - Folds
WDRKY - Calls $480
*** TURN *** Four of SpadesThree of ClubsTen of Hearts Five of Spades
*** RIVER *** Four of SpadesThree of ClubsTen of HeartsFive of Spades Six of Hearts
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WDRKY - Shows Ace of ClubsSeven of Clubs (Straight, three to seven)
JAF625 - Shows King of SpadesKing of Clubs (One pair, kings)
WDRKY Collects $2385 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2385)
Board Four of SpadesThree of ClubsTen of HeartsFive of SpadesSix of Hearts
Seat 3: VIPER92262 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: SLICK999988 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: CANPLAY2 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: R3DSOX Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: WDRKY won Total ($2385) HI:($2385) with Straight, three to seven Ace of ClubsSeven of Clubs- Seven of ClubsSix of HeartsFive of SpadesFour of SpadesThree of Clubs
Seat 9: JAF625 HI:lost with One pair, kings King of SpadesKing of Clubs- King of SpadesKing of ClubsTen of HeartsSix of HeartsFive of Spades

This sucked, but was there anything I should have done differently? Move all in preflop maybe. Was it a terrible call on his part or did he have reason to considering pot odds and he fact that he was big stacked. This one pissed me off real bad. Thanks.


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Posted Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:06 am GMT by Skribbles
You played it great and ran into a donk. Shit happens. Next time just laugh at the fool who makes that call.


Posted Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:05 pm GMT by Sammey
i don't know what is best, easy money and some bad beats when playing with weak players...or harder money playing with poker-aces and no bad beats...


Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:28 pm GMT by galderon
Sammey wrote:
i don't know what is best, easy money and some bad beats when playing with weak players...or harder money playing with poker-aces and no bad beats...

It depends on your playing style. Weak players tend to think you're bluffing every hand and don't like to fold. If you like to bluff and push people around, you'll want to play strong players. If you like playing premium stuff, play weak players.



Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:57 pm GMT by supafrey
galderon wrote:
Sammey wrote:
i don't know what is best, easy money and some bad beats when playing with weak players...or harder money playing with poker-aces and no bad beats...

It depends on your playing style. Weak players tend to think you're bluffing every hand and don't like to fold. If you like to bluff and push people around, you'll want to play strong players. If you like playing premium stuff, play weak players.


this actually hurt my head. god that's horribly wrong.

If you like to bluff and push people around, you should play weak players.
If you like to play premium stuff, you should play weak players.



Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:46 pm GMT by tame_deuces
You can bluff a strong player once in a while, because if you usually doesn't bluff he will probably respect you enough to credit you with a very strong hand. Typical example is the set bluff on the turn to push a solid player off an overpair,TPTK etc. But it will only work if you have a solid image and he is a good, solid player. And make no mistake...a solid player WILL do this to you too, so don't feel like the hottest thing to have hit poker since <some name> just because it worked.

But to suggest you can bluff a 'strong' player repeatedly is very wrong. If a player is the least bit strong he will raise or call you any day of the week when he feels you have passed over that 'suspicious' line where it seems you claim to have a hand all the time.

To even suggest that you can push a strong player around shows a dangerous misconception of what a strong player is.

Weak/tight is not strong.



Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:46 pm GMT by galderon
supafrey wrote:
this actually hurt my head. god that's horribly wrong.
If you like to bluff and push people around, you should play weak players.
If you like to play premium stuff, you should play weak players.

Oops, sorry. Maybe I'm not using the right terms. It's been my experience that most bad players don't fold. You can't bluff someone that won't fold.



Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:49 pm GMT by galderon
Yeah, what tame_deuces said. I just phrased it horribly wrong. When you bluff correctly against a stronger player, the other player is going to give some thought about what you might have. The weaker player isn't even going to think about what you might have.


Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:01 pm GMT by DougisRad
Let me rephrase Supa's point: try your best, regardless of style, to play weak players.


Posted Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:02 pm GMT by galderon
DougisRad wrote:
Let me rephrase Supa's point: try your best, regardless of style, to play weak players.

Fair enough. :D






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