The worst bast beat i have ever seen |
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Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:40 pm GMT by Capt Pugwash
This is the worst bad beat yet, fortunaly it didn't happen to me. Im in a $10 SnG on pokerstars, the first hand a guy puts a $90 rasie in everyone stacks except one. Cant remember the flop but the the rasier bets minimum bet and gets called, this carrys on untill the river. Now then there is an obvious flush on the board, with 2 10's in amongst it, the raiser bets $200 and gets re-raised $400, at this point im thinking the rasier should stack his 3 10's and give into the flush, but no he re-rasies all in, the other guy calls with a Nut flush, only to be beat with 4 of a kind 10's. Now how unlucky is that on the first hand as well, that guy must have thrown his screen out the window, i know i would.
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Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:16 pm GMT by racquet000
Bad play on the Flush. With a possible full house and quads out there. You should just call it down in the end. Not reraise i feel. There was alot of hands that had his flush beat. any pocket pair matching the rags on flop. 10/rag and the pocket 10's. just so many options it would have been a better call to call if not fold. Some people need to learn to laydown good hands when they get monster bets into them 
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:07 pm GMT by ballbp
Very true racquet but you know how easily a person gets blinded when they have the nuts. I would think the guy had the other put on a flush that wasn't going to beat his. I also wonder if the one with the straight even thought about pockets. Like you said though, you have to be able to lay down a big hand but when you have a ace high flush it's pretty damn hard to lay it down.
Posted Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:00 pm GMT by Geno
I dunno, I can easily lay down an OBVIOUS flush ( I assume there were 4 of one suit out there) if the board is paired. In at least 4 of 5 SnG's I play some1 goes out first hand but it's usually doing something much dumber than that!
Posted Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:02 pm GMT by FatJoe
uh guys, there's no such thing as a nut flush with a pair on the board. the whole point of the word "nut" something is that it cant be beat. "nut" and "ace high" are not the same things.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:15 am GMT by lilzeus
I dont know how that is a bad beat. Just sounds like one hand that was much better than the other to me. The raiser made his perfect hand, and played to perfection. The nut flush simply wasnt that good, as one person already stated. Thats not a bad beat, it was just poor play by the nut flush and excellent play by the 4 of a kind. In my opinion. A bad beat might be that 4 of a kind being beat by a str8 flush that had no business calling a preflop raise. etc etc Again, just my opinion.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:00 am GMT by FatJoe
ahem. there was no nut flush.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:37 pm GMT by littleogre
That is not a bad beat if you ask me. The guy with the 10s was in front the whole time.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:50 pm GMT by lilzeus
*cough* It looks like he says, and I quote, 'the other guy calls with a Nut flush, only to be beat with 4 of a kind 10's.'
I have, and I use, the term nut as this person does. There IS a nut flush/str8 when viewing the board. It means the BEST flush/str8. If 'nuts' always meant 'only the best possible hand' then the term would never be used. As it is used by myself and other ppl here and even announcers on TV, it can stand for the bets possible hand among players currently in the hand.
| Capt Pugwash wrote: | | This is the worst bad beat yet, fortunaly it didn't happen to me. Im in a $10 SnG on pokerstars, the first hand a guy puts a $90 rasie in everyone stacks except one. Cant remember the flop but the the rasier bets minimum bet and gets called, this carrys on untill the river. Now then there is an obvious flush on the board, with 2 10's in amongst it, the raiser bets $200 and gets re-raised $400, at this point im thinking the rasier should stack his 3 10's and give into the flush, but no he re-rasies all in, the other guy calls with a Nut flush, only to be beat with 4 of a kind 10's. Now how unlucky is that on the first hand as well, that guy must have thrown his screen out the window, i know i would. |
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:29 pm GMT by FatJoe
ahem, courgh, gnkrkgh. excuse me. a nut flush is a flush that can't be beaten by any two pocket cards. same thing for a nut straight, etc. you don't call any old ace high flush a "nut flush" because it's not the nuts, necessarily.
i can read what they wrote, im saying they're using the word wrong. wasnt that clear??
(by the way it's stupid to say "and i quote" and then use quotation marks. what do you think quotation marks mean??)
i dont care what you think you've heard tv commentators say, they're misusing the term just like you are.
| Quote: | | "If 'nuts' always meant 'only the best possible hand' then the term would never be used," |
that's exactly what "nuts" means.
youre basically saying that nobody hardly ever has the best possible hand. it happens all the time.
if there's no pair on the board and no possible straight flush, then an ace high flush is the nut flush. if there's no possible flush and no pair on the board, then the highest possible straight is the nuts. if you have quads on the highest board pair and there's no str8 flush, you have the nut quads. etc, etc. people have the best possible hand given the board all the time. that's what the term "nuts" is supposed to mean.
you can also use the term to mean the "best possible hand right now." for example, a high straight on the flop can be seen as the "temporary" nuts because you know it's winning then (so you can call it the nut straight but it's not real accurate), and then the board could pair making quads the "new nuts." then a third card could create a str8 flush possibility and you would have new nuts, and there wouldnt be a nut straight or nut quads.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:34 pm GMT by lilzeus
Give us all a break, Einstein.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:41 pm GMT by FatJoe
heh true to formula.
-jerk says something wrong.
-somebody points it out.
-jerk gets indignant returns fire.
-somebody points out why the idiot was wrong twice.
-jerk can no longer argue but he must answer, so he acts like he wasnt trying to win the argument anyway and that doing so is wrong.
you should be saying "thanks for explaining that, i obviously needed you to go into that detail to get the truth through my thick skull."
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:51 pm GMT by lilzeus
Hey dumbass, look it up. You dont even know what you are talking about, so just shut up at this point before you make yourself look any more moronic than you already are.
http://www.pokerpages.com/pokerinfo/glossary/glossary-n.htm?content=1
http://www.ipokerguide.com/pokerglossary.asp?Letter=N
http://www.planetpoker.com/games/dictionary/vocabn.asp
http://conjelco.com/pokglossary.html
http://www.pokerbest.com/gambling_127.html
http://www.poker777.com/poker-glossary.php#N
http://www.mvppoker.com/poker_gambling_poker_glossary_no.html#n
Good lord, I could keep going on like this but I know that you will try to come up with some idiotic explanation for why you are right and I am wrong, so why bother. If you are dumb enough to not 'get it' at this point, then I am wasting my time talking to a rock. 7 definitions for the term should be enough for you read. Good luck.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:30 pm GMT by FatJoe
i have time to read one.
"Nuts
The best possible hand given the board. If the board is Ks-Jd-Ts-4s-2h, then As-Xs is the nuts. You will occasionally hear the term applied to the best possible hand of a certain category, even though it isn't the overall nuts. For the above example, somebody with Ah-Qc in the above hand might say they had the "nut straight"
it says "occasionally" you will hear it this way. occasionally people misapply the term.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:05 pm GMT by lilzeus
Lets go ahead and spell it out for ya sparky.
Nut Flush: The best available flush.
Nut Flush:
The highest possible flush that can be formed with the cards on the board.
nut
... 4. (adj) In hold 'em, pertaining to the best possible hand at a given point in a pot; usually followed by flush or straight, sometimes by high or low. For example, if four spades are on the board, whoever has the ace of spades as one of his hole cards has the nut flush. If A K 9 8 are on the board, whoever has the queen of spades as one of his hole cards has the nut flush. If 9 8 7 3 2 are on the board, whoever has any T-J has the nut straight.
Nuts
..."Nut xxx" is used to refer to the best hand of a particular type, especially a straight or flush. If the table described above had the AK2 of spades, the nut flush would be the queen and any other spade.
No 'occasionally' at all in those definitions. And as I said, there are plenty more where those came from. Apparently, the only one using the term incorrectly is you. The term 'nuts' can 'occasionally' be used to describe someone who cant admit they are wrong when they clearly are. In that case, it would be very applicable to use it to describe you.
Posted Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:41 pm GMT by sergestorms
so if im holding red pocket 2s with 5 spades on board that means i have the nut pair right?
Posted Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:16 pm GMT by lilzeus
Thats funny. Im not sure if you are just trying to be an a$$ or not but here goes:
Read the definitions. There is no such thing as a 'nut pair'. Atleast, the term is not used that way. You would say you have the 'high pair', which in your case is impossible. You have a pocket pair. In fact, one of the definitions which I posted clearly states:
"In hold'em, the nuts is never less than trips."
Since the board has all spades, you got nuthin. For you, the board is the best hand.
Posted Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:29 am GMT by JimTheBullet
| FatJoe wrote: | | uh guys, there's no such thing as a nut flush with a pair on the board. |
Sorry Joe, I have to take issue here. "Nut flush" means best possible flush. It may or may not be the nut hand depending on whether (a) the board is paired or (b) there is a possible straight flush out there.
In terms of re-raising with that hand on the end, I would say - why would you do that? If you have the nut flush and then the board paired on the end what hand could somebody call a re-raise with? Surely the only hand you could call a reraise with (particularly an all in reraise) is a boat or better?
I think there is a common mistake when people have "big" hands - they raise and raise with it, without considering what the other guy could have. I think more people need to stop and say to themselves "if I raise now, what hand could he possibly call with?" If the answer is that your opponent could only call with a bigger hand then you have to flat call. If you have the best hand you win (and you get the bonus of seeing his hole cards since you called him) - if you don't have the best hand you lose without showing and you lose the minimum. If the guy was on a bluff he wouldn't call your raise and you would never find out what he had so you would therefore win the pot but garner less information from the hand.
Posted Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:44 am GMT by JimTheBullet
Looks like I should have read the rest of the thread before having my tuppence worth. Gotta agree with lilzeus though:
"nuts" = best possible hand (as sombody said, in Holdem this is at least trips with any board). The worst possible hand that can be the nuts, by the way, is QQQ, since queen high is the lowest possible board that contains no straight possibility.
"nut straight" = best possible straight with this board, NOT necessarily THE nuts.
"nut flush" = best possible flush - often also the nuts.
I have even heard commentators refer to the "nut no hand". This is when you have, say AK but don't make a pair on the board.
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