Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:06 pm GMT by pintobean123
I am a new player and was reading through my first posts on this forum and came across this statement:
| Quote: | | Find out what the top 10 starting hands are and play only those hands until you have mastered the patience to do so. |
In the short time I have been playing online Hold 'Em, here are my top dealt hands that have seemed to win everytime.
A, A (suited or unsuited)
A, J (suited or unsuited)
K, Q (suited)
Q, J (suited)
Any pocket pairs over 8's
I am curious to find out what the real top ten starting hands ARE, and if I should follow the advice I found (quoted above).
Thanks
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Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:23 pm GMT by DougisRad
Here the top 12:
AA
KK
QQ
Aks
AQs
JJ
KQs
AJs
KJs
ATs
AKo
TT
As for playing just these? If you're a true true beginner, then yeah, for a couple weeks, just play there. Once you learn how to get creative with other hands (Q9s, ATs, etc) then you could try them out.
Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:52 pm GMT by xhi
I believe that post ask what a new player should learn first and my answer was PATIENCE. My point of picking the top ten starting hands only is to learn the patience to wait for them. Then you can be sure that when you break the mold you are doing it for a reason, not just because you won a couple hands with low pocket pairs.
The problem facing most beginners is that the Poker Gods will favor you with almost anything you play because you don't yet realize the truth about (dum de dum dum) (whispering hoarsely) "The Long Run" yet.
Which I my humble opinion...
(I use that instead of IMHO, because in my school they taught me to spell both humble and opinion)
...is the second thing you should learn about in Poker. i.e. "The Long Run" Which implies a study of odds and what they mean as well as playing over a long period of time.
Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:29 pm GMT by Geno
| pintobean123 wrote: | A, A (suited or unsuited)
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Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:38 pm GMT by supafrey
suited aces are always a pretty sight.
Posted Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:44 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Suited aces...think of the possibilities. Top set, nutflush draw and boat/quad outs on the flop! Now there is a killer.
:D
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:48 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| supafrey wrote: | | suited aces are always a pretty sight. |
I heard this actually happened at a nearby casino a couple of years ago.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:48 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Geno wrote: | | pintobean123 wrote: | A, A (suited or unsuited)
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Heh that reminds me of the story about the Scottish poker championship 
As for the thread, depending on whether your playing ring games or tourneys, table position, and number of players, i would forget getting creative and purely limit yourself to AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ. Raise with these to get rid of the "creative" players. Other hands like mid/low pocket pairs i would just limp with and dump if you dont hit a set or don't have the overpair. And if you can get in the pot cheap enough then i would recommend sooted Aces. (i.e. A  5 etc) don't draw if it gets too expensive.
You'll be a millionaire in no time! 
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:56 pm GMT by pintobean123
Thanks, DougisRad, for giving them to me in one post.
I would say that I am a true beginner, but I have an uncanny way of reading people and the way they play. I have run into one issue with this. PEOPLE GET SCARED AWAY!! Especially on the low, fixed limit tables. As soon as I start to catch on, they're gone. Have you ever experienced that? I guess, going along with XHI's ideology, that in a real tourney, you can't just get up and shift to another table whenever you want to. Unless you want to lose all your cash (which, come on...)
Or is it allowed??
I've been playing a good three hours a night for the past few weeks, reading lots of books, and ultimately, its not about the cards, but on how you play them.
Sappy I know...
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:06 pm GMT by supafrey
I disagree. The cards matter a bunch. =)
And I assure you that nobody on low limit tables left because they were scared of you. They're not looking that closely.
Posted Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:44 am GMT by nightguard
I'm also a beginner and only play at the lowest limits. Been playing for about a year. The first month was terrible. Lost my bankroll right away. Then a relative who plays regually started giving me advice. I have improved a lot and use a chart (Hilger) for my starting hands. I have learnt that it depends on your position as to what cards you play.
But of course your AA means little if some plonker beats you on the river with a ten high flush or straight. Frustrating but as they say patience is a virtue. Just  and bide your time. The top hands mentioned will come through (although according to my stats on Poker Tracker AKo is running at a loss for me a little) My best hand is KK. I'm making a net loss of about $40 but out of the four limits I play I am making a profit and the loss came in the first few months. Gradually I am turning it around although a couple of bad beats or poorly played hans ruins my progress. :x
Posted Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:38 pm GMT by mikenike
don't always go with the top 10, you might have a wierd favourite hand like 7,suited or a,2 of diamonds or something like that
8 or 9 best hands + 1 or 2 of ur favourite.
Posted Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:39 pm GMT by supafrey
| mikenike wrote: | don't always go with the top 10, you might have a wierd favourite hand like 7,suited or a,2 of diamonds or something like that
8 or 9 best hands + 1 or 2 of ur favourite. |
that's retarded.
Posted Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:40 pm GMT by Johny
| mikenike wrote: | don't always go with the top 10, you might have a wierd favourite hand like 7,suited or a,2 of diamonds or something like that
8 or 9 best hands + 1 or 2 of ur favourite. |
I hope you're joking about playing favorite hands, but I'm afraid you're not. Bad advice, stick to good hands, you'll win a lot more. 
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:46 am GMT by UrAteUp
| pintobean123 wrote: | I am a new player and was reading through my first posts on this forum and came across this statement:
| Quote: | | Find out what the top 10 starting hands are and play only those hands until you have mastered the patience to do so. |
In the short time I have been playing online Hold 'Em, here are my top dealt hands that have seemed to win everytime.
A, A (suited or unsuited)
A, J (suited or unsuited)
K, Q (suited)
Q, J (suited)
Any pocket pairs over 8's
Thanks |
I wouldn't be so sure about those hands winning all the time. While AA is a strong starting hand it often gets beat. AJ and any AX hand often get over valued and you'll see people make some pretty bold, aggressive and plain stupid moves with AX hands. Pockets are a good hand starting but know when to lay the hand down if your beat. Pockets are also great when you hit a set or better. I say better because just this morning I had AA in my hand and hit quads. It's a rare happening but when it does you pray to get paid off. Anyhow I would stick to the advice of playing mainly the top 10 starting hands. That's a good sound strategy and one that can help your bankroll stay good. Also pay attention to position.
Learn the importance of position and hands best played in these positions. In EP (early position) only play the top 5 starting hands. I stay away from hands like KQ (s or o), 10J and hands such as these. In MP (middle position) I might open up more and play all the top 10 starting hands. From LP (Late Postion) I will often play a range of cards depending on if the pot has been raised and if so how many times, how much and then I ask myself why it was raised.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:28 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| mikenike wrote: | don't always go with the top 10, you might have a wierd favourite hand like 7,suited or a,2 of diamonds or something like that
8 or 9 best hands + 1 or 2 of ur favourite. |
Unless your favorites are a low pocket pair that you can see a cheap flop with, this is an absolutely terrible strategy.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by zinn0
I'm guessing this is why mikenike doesn't win...
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