Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:54 am GMT by jonesyb
... i have seen this a few times on the wsop coverage...
why the hell woudl you want to do this?
surely that just takes away one of your options... thus possibly decreasing your chance of winning the hand... ?!?! i dunno...
phil helmuth does it... so it must be a good move... 
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Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:25 am GMT by UrAteUp
It is more of a head game then anything else Jonesy. If you know you have a strong hand in your down cards then why not check in the dark. It gives the other players something to think about and can cause them to play differently then they normaly would.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:33 am GMT by Muck
| UrAteUp wrote: | | If you know you have a strong hand in your down cards then why not check in the dark. |
Doesn’t checking in the dark mean you haven’t look at your hole cards, so how would you know their strength?
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:02 am GMT by racquet000
I check in the dark all the time. You can check the flop in the dark and the turn etc.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:58 pm GMT by jonesyb
| Muck wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | If you know you have a strong hand in your down cards then why not check in the dark. |
Doesn’t checking in the dark mean you haven’t look at your hole cards, so how would you know their strength? |
i thought that. but i now know differently.
if you are first to act then you can check to the next person before the flop is dealt... apparently.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:45 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Muck wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | If you know you have a strong hand in your down cards then why not check in the dark. |
Doesn’t checking in the dark mean you haven’t look at your hole cards, so how would you know their strength? |
I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking checking in the dark after the flop, on the turn card.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:11 pm GMT by jonesyb
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Muck wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | If you know you have a strong hand in your down cards then why not check in the dark. |
Doesn’t checking in the dark mean you haven’t look at your hole cards, so how would you know their strength? |
I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking checking in the dark after the flop, on the turn card. |
yeah thats what i was talking about. you look at your cards first. then check to the next person before the flop/turn/river comes out.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:27 pm GMT by Dave B
Everyone has started doing it since David Williams did it vs Arieh last year at the main event final table.
Williams had 55, if he acts on the flop, it immediately tells gives the opponent information. With a hand like a low pocket pair, you will either be EXTREMELY strong or EXTREMELY weak. So, by checking, you hide this. With Williams raising preflop, he almost has to bet out the flop. But, if he misses, he almost has to fold to any reraise. If he is smooth called, he has to decide to fire again or reveal his weakness by checking. In this case, the dark check allows him to save a bet, save face by not showing weakness, and put the pressure on Arieh to fire at the pot or check behind (giving a free card).
I know Williams flopped a set, and I think Arieh went all in w/ AJ w/ flop Ax5 vs 55 for Williams.
So, now everyone thinks they are a genius by dark checking or dark betting. It is like giving a 5 year old a new toy, they have to use it as much as possible. Most of the time, it doesnt mean anything and it rarely helps you.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:30 pm GMT by racquet000
Whoa now...  Dave a few of us have been playing cards even before it was highly publised(sp). Ive been checking in the dark before the boom. Its just something i do. I limp in the dark i call in the dark. Its one way i loosen up a table.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:03 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
The Williams case is an excellent example of a good check in the dark.
Anyone think of a time when it might be advantageous to BET in the dark?
This assignment will be due on my desk by lunchtime Wednesday. 8)
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:16 pm GMT by Dave B
I have seen a lot of people bet dark w/ QQ KK. It is kind of saying "I have the best hand and I want you to know it!". That way if a scare card hits, if someone calls, they usually have an Ace.
Nothing personal racquet, I just rarely (if ever) saw it happen in all my live play. Now, I see it 4-5 times a night. I just think that in 99.9% of cases it is a hack move of someone just trying to be cool.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:32 pm GMT by xhi
Hate to burst your bubble but betting in the dark has been happening since the beginning of time. I know I was there. David Williams got it from his new found friend Marcel Luske who has done it before on TV. David ran over to him after he did it for approval.
But, I've seen it done in the old days. It is particularly a good trick in stud games. In seven card stud with the last card down you can try to bluff a good 6-card hand (whether you have it or not) by betting on the last card with out looking at it. i.e. in the dark.
By the way.... Let there be no doubt betting, calling or raising "in the dark" means that you haven't looked at, or know the value of at least one of your cards.
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