Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:16 pm GMT by NEP_PRO
I played 50c 1$ and things were going good up until this hand.
Middle position get dealt JJ. Whole table calls around to me and I raise the blind to 4 dollars. Get 3 callers. The flop comes j,3,9 rainbow. I bet 5 into the pot and get one caller. The turn is a 10. I bet 9 trying to scare off the person if hes on a straight draw. River comes 7. I have only 9 dollars remaining which I put into the pot.
Guy flips over a top notch hand to crack my set.
83 offsuit.
There goes another 25 dollars or so.
bankroll 125 after 200 dollar cashout.
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Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:29 pm GMT by jonesyb
mate have a read of your other thread about playing limits too high for your bankroll.
you clearly have some good poker knowledge but why dont you try playing some limits better suited to your bankroll and build it up from there... ?
you might not have any bankroll left soon if you are not careful...
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:37 pm GMT by Skribbles
Have you noticed the BAD BEAT THREAD?!?!?!
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:47 pm GMT by NEP_PRO
Playing 50c 1 dollar does fit my bankroll. A 25 dollar buy in isnt that much and its a huge difference from what I usually play. Sometimes you just play with fish who get away.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:15 pm GMT by ScanX
bet $5 on flop in a $15ish pot is a bit weak with the possible straight draw there...make it $10 and it's a bit better...but ok that is still acceptable considering it's gapped and there is no flush draw.
now $9 into a $25 pot on that turn giving more straight draw possibilities and leaving you with $9 is definitely bad. u have to push.
it's ok to milk a bit on that flop, but the turn cannot be slowplayed.
oh and I read your other post, you're definitely playing too high stakes for your bankroll + joining the table with half the buy-in is stupid (sorry but it is)
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:34 pm GMT by NEP_PRO
I know its stupid thats just what I have been doing for sometime now. Playing high limits is how I got my BR up that high. I've also learned from losing large amounts of money from playing to high of stakes and I have worked on playing 25c 50 c with 20 dollars. Thats as low as I go. I just cant be a pussy and play little limits to build my bankroll. Once I make more money ill go to higher limits. I think im going to wait till I have 500 before 1$ 2$ again but well see what happens.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:36 pm GMT by NEP_PRO
And when you say betting more on the turn like all in would be better i dont think that is true. If im commiting more than half of my stack on the turn then im representing that I have a strong hand and hopefully the person im playing against next time will be smarter than this one.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:39 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
I agree...I hate getting my entire stack into the pot when I'm a substantial favorite...
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:52 pm GMT by ScanX
you're giving him pot odds to draw and that's exactly what he did and maybe why u lost.
u say u bet half your stack representing you have a big hand...so that means u want him to fold ? when u have a set ??
when do u actually want a call then ? when u have quads or straight flush ?
sorry but the play on turn was weak, and u had to push. I wont change my mind on that one :)
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:54 pm GMT by zinn0
| ScanX wrote: | | when do u actually want a call then ? when u have quads or straight flush ? |
Scan, I only feel comfortable and actually want a call when I'm holding a royal flush, but of course, I'm a nut-peddler.
Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:02 pm GMT by supafrey
i'm agreeing with scan on this one. and thinking low stakes is "pussy" is the reason why you went broke.
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:13 am GMT by tame_deuces
Ok...two posts in the wrong section about bad beats.
Seriously...these things HAPPEN...to everyone...
I've experienced having 4 sets crushed and two full houses counterfeited in a row.
You are playing at too high stakes, variance dictates that even if you do not play bad you are ALMOST GUARANTEED TO BUST.
Enough said allready, if you don't change your stakes it will happen again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
Good luck. Because when underbankrolled...skill has little to do with it.
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:21 am GMT by Geno
Moved. Try and post in the the most appropriate section in future please.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:58 am GMT by [psyonix]
| tame_deuces wrote: |
You are playing at too high stakes, variance dictates that even if you do not play bad you are ALMOST GUARANTEED TO BUST.
Enough said allready, if you don't change your stakes it will happen again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
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This is true. Say you have 100 dollars in your account. You feel up for a game of .25 .50 (40-50NL). Now those stakes seem low, so if you buy in, and start to win, say get on a rush, you could easily get up to 300 in a day or so of playing. Then say you're playing the most solid game of your life, playing the cards the same way that earned you the massive stack. Then the inevitable hits. You play well, but you can't hit anything. your table image becomes shot, so you can no longer steal tiny pots to utilize for the big-risk situations. You run bad for 2 days (or longer) and boom, before you know it, your account is back down to 0. What happened?
Now consider this. You play a .05-.10 table (10NL) and you play just as well, and make maybe 30 dollars in a day or so. You then hit that same bad rush, and at the same rate, you lose all of that 30, plus a little over 2 more of your buy-ins. But wait, you've still got 8 more max buy ins that you can play with, so then again, you go on a hot streak, you make 40 in a couple days of play, and you're up 10 dollars. What happened?
Well, in the latter case, you were able to comfortably absorb the massive hits, and your wicked play allowed you to overcome and come out ahead, a feat impossible if you blow your bankroll after 2.5 buy ins as opposed to the 10 you have if you play within the right limits.
Important rule number one. It's not ALL about the money. My problem WAS (I'm getting over it) is that I would get too greedy, and play those higher limits. The short term payoffs were great, but a run of bad luck left me in the hole for a while. Slow and steady wins the race. Think about a year from now, and think about your win rate in a ring game suited to your BR, and not how much you wanna win that hour, or day even.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:30 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Amen. Amen. Amen. I am struggling with this problem right now. In the past year I have built up bankrolls of +$1000 from a start of $10 on TWO different occasions. I would then get greedy and think I had finally "made" it try for the big score. Unfortunately it was the other players who got the big score.
Also, don't shut the door on good advice. ScanX is one of the players around here who I have a lot of respect for, advice wise. If he says something is the right play I will usually take a hard look at it.
Good luck!
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:49 pm GMT by DougisRad
| NEP_PRO wrote: | | And when you say betting more on the turn like all in would be better i dont think that is true. If im commiting more than half of my stack on the turn then im representing that I have a strong hand and hopefully the person im playing against next time will be smarter than this one. |
So you don't want to listen to what an established player has to say? Good way to learn.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:17 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| zinn0 wrote: | | Scan, I only feel comfortable and actually want a call when I'm holding a royal flush, but of course, I'm a nut-peddler. |
nut peddler (n):
1. a squirrel on a bicycle
2. ScanX
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