7 Card Stud Rules to Live by: |
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Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:24 pm GMT by TheSalche
Since I wrote a guide on SnGs when I was good at them, I figure I'm gonna post up some of my thoughts and rules of thumb to live by when playing stud.
1) Fear the opponent who pairs his door card. This sounds silly and obvious, and it is both, but it works well. If you see a player that often limps in with weak door cards (i.e. 7 - 10), and will fold 4th a lot unimproved, chances are this player is trying to limp with a weak pair, and hit the door card for dominating trips. Fear this in a raised pot too. If a player raises with a card such as a 3 or 4 in the door, then pairs that card on 4th, I'd say 90% of the time you're looking at big two pair or better. The other 10% is things like ace high flush draw, or three suited connectors. How a person plays against somebody who pairs their doorcard will tell a lot about them. If they are just calling down, they are generally more passive players. If you find them folding a lot, these players are cautious and usually have big hands when they raise.
2) If your opponent hits a big pair on the board on 4th or 5th, FOLD unless you have a live four card draw, or if you can beat big two pair at that moment. Simple enough. Calling a lot of bets from big pairs on the board will get you quickly labeled as a fish too, which you may/may not want.
3) Live cards, live cards, LIVE cards. Never play a flush draw with 3 dead in that suited. If there are two dead in that suit, it needs to be a 4 - 5 person pot, or you have to have an overcard (ace high ideally). If you're going to play hands such as (8A)8 against a player with a probable pair of kings, you need all your cards to be live, and two flushes help a bit too.
4) Choose the right pot size for your hand. If you have a big pair (aces or kings) on 3rd, then you need to RAISE to try to get the pot heads up. However, if you're in a game where a 3rd street raise still gets 4 or 5 callers, you should NOT raise. Hands like big two pair hold up sometimes in 4 person pots, but not enough to make them very profitable. If you have a flush draw hand, try to limp in and encourage action. Same thing with straight draws. The idea is that you can get away fairly cheaply when you miss your draws, but pull in a nice pot when you hit it. Increase your implied odds.
5) In a loose game, it may be best not to raise with big pairs till 4th or 5th street. This is because in a looser game, especially if the bring-in is half the bet, your raise will only increase the size of the pot, making future calls for your opponents correct. Read 7CS4AP for more details on this ...
6) Seven card stud is a drawing game. Remember this. You are going to get sucked out on a lot more than you will in hold'em. The idea is to not get so frustrated that you choose to call your villain down just to show they hit that one outer on you. A difference between a good 7CS player and a bad one, is how live the good players' draws are.
7) Ante-stealing is crucial to long term success. This is just like stealing blinds in hold'em, except the opportunities become more apparent. Try to steal with things like 3 big cards, ace high 3 flushes, etc. Something with a higher door card than most of the table is always required. The idea is, you're likely to get the antes, but if you don't, you can still catch a card on 4th to improve your hand enough to either continue with the hand, or get your opponent to fold.
8) Use scare cards to your advantage. Too often players dont bet when they catch a suited ace, a suited connector, or pair their door card. Don't be afraid to take a stab on 4th at a smallish pot. It's usually cheap, and usually worth it. Be careful about bluffing here. Strong players may call you down even if you're showing 4 of the same suit on your board if theres enough dead in that suit.
9) Hand reading is important in stud. Try to determine what your opponent likely has by 4th or 5th street. For example, if your opponent has a 9 of clubs showing, and three clubs are dead, his most likely holding is a pair of nines or a straight draw of some sort. This helps you when your opponent pairs their door card. If there's a lot dead in their door card suit, it increases the chances of them having trips or two pair drastically.
10) Ante structure changes your play a lot. At .5/1 games on poorly structured sites, the ante and bring-in is .25, which means you should loosen up your 3rd street starting requirements because otherwise the antes will eat up your stack anyways. Three big cards (9 or higher), one gap straights (9 8 6) and other such hands that aren't usually as playable now become necessary to win. However, you still need to fold these hands on 4th if you don't get help. Even adding a gutshot straight draw is usually good enough to go to 5th with in this case. I'd recommend switching sites though, PokerStars has the best ante structure at the micro limits.
11) Misc. points. 300 big bet bankroll is the 'ideal' bankroll but you can get away with 150 - 200 if you know what your doing, 100 is a gamble ... hope you don't go card dead for a while. Door card means your upcard on 3rd street.
I'd also like to point out that Diamond_Cutter has a very nice post on starting hands: http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t16974/7-card-stud-starting-hands
He also has a lot more insight into Hi/Lo than I do (infinitely more actually ...).
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Posted Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:37 pm GMT by TheSalche
post count increase ... jk ....
Something else I remembered. Pull out your copy of Super System 2 (you do have one ... right). Take a look at Todd Brunson's 7CS 8/b section. Concept 9 points out that if two opponents have an upcard of an ace, king, etc. SOMEBODY is more likely to have a pair, than in the same situation if only one person had a high upcard.
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:20 am GMT by Cyberhwk
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Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:25 am GMT by Geno
| TheSalche wrote: | Since I wrote a guide on SnGs when I was good at them, I figure I'm gonna post up some of my thoughts and rules of thumb to live by when playing stud.
1) Fear the opponent who pairs his door card. |
And I'm lost 
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| Geno wrote: | | TheSalche wrote: | Since I wrote a guide on SnGs when I was good at them, I figure I'm gonna post up some of my thoughts and rules of thumb to live by when playing stud.
1) Fear the opponent who pairs his door card. |
And I'm lost |
Yeah, I was getting confused by the lingo too...
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:07 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| TheSalche wrote: | | 1) Fear the opponent who pairs his door card. |
The first up card dealt to each player in a 7 card stud hand.
Since a lot of players won't continue past 3rd street without a pair, split or wired, then pairing the door card implies two pair or trips.
Posted Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:38 pm GMT by [psyonix]
excellent advice. To add on, be REAL strict about your starting hands. Start off 3 of a kind, suited connectors, big pair big kicker and such. You're more likely to improve this way, and over the long run, you'll win a LOT.
Posted Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:27 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
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Just messin...Good advice Salche.
Posted Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:28 pm GMT by Geno
Re-reading this, I just realised once again why I have yet to try 7CS. I really have to diversify.......what's a door card?
Posted Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:32 pm GMT by supafrey
| Quote: | | The first up card dealt to each player in a 7 card stud hand. |
Yes i do, in fact, hope you were just being silly.
Posted Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:31 pm GMT by flafishy
| psyonix wrote: | | excellent advice. To add on, be REAL strict about your starting hands. Start off 3 of a kind, suited connectors, big pair big kicker and such. You're more likely to improve this way, and over the long run, you'll win a LOT. |
That's a bit tight, if you are being literal here. If you play too tight, the antes and bringins will eat you alive -- no different than the blinds in holdem.
Posted Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:59 pm GMT by [psyonix]
| flafishy wrote: | | psyonix wrote: | | excellent advice. To add on, be REAL strict about your starting hands. Start off 3 of a kind, suited connectors, big pair big kicker and such. You're more likely to improve this way, and over the long run, you'll win a LOT. |
That's a bit tight, if you are being literal here. If you play too tight, the antes and bringins will eat you alive -- no different than the blinds in holdem. |
What kind of bankroll do you play with?
Posted Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:58 pm GMT by TheSalche
300 big bet bankroll is ideal
when you're playing at lower stakes, the .5/1 games tend to have a .25 ante and a .25 bringin (except at stars), which means many calls on 3rd and 4th street are correct
at higher stakes, like the 3/6 game i used to play in, the antes were .50, with $1 bring-in so you can get away playing less than 20% of your starting hands
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:33 am GMT by Droogie66
Thanks, I'm just starting to pick up on 7 Stud and this guide seems really helpful.
Posted Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:25 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
So at the smaller limits. .5/1 .25 ante/bring in. What kind of starting hands should be a minimum to enter in? With a full 8 person table and when it gets down to 4-5 (which seems to happen alot, not enough stud players i think)? What percentage of 4ths street seen is good? 30? I'm really liking the game so far but I have no clue as to what marginal hands are playable and with .25 cent antes it seems really bad to only wait for premium hands.
Posted Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:34 pm GMT by TheSalche
jefe you're absolutely right about the antes in those kind of games, they will eat you alive if you don't play enough hands, and you actually can't be a winning player on that level if you're not loosening up
30% 4th street is a good goal to shoot for, especially because that will still be much tighter than the other players at this level
to loosen up you're play here, start playing pretty much any wired pair (pair in the hole) and play split pairs down to 7s or so when your cards are live and there isn't much 3rd street raising, almost any 3 suited even with 2 or 3 dead may be playable (but fold 4th if you don't get some help), instead of needing 3 high cards (i.e. A Q 10) to play, maybe loosen it down to two high cards and two suited (i.e. As 10d 5s)
you should be seeing more 4th streets, but you HAVE to fold marginal hands on 4th street if you don't get any help
you're looking for implied odds here, if you pay that extra .25 with 5 people in the pot when you have a pair of 6s in the hole and you hit that 6 on 4th street, you need to be able to make about $5-$7 from the hand to make up for the times when you miss 4th street ... to improve your chances of making money, hold off raising till 5th street when the bet doubles and you can usually lock in 2 or 3 other opponents to come to 6th and 7th with you
practice practice practice ... and read 7 card stud for advanced players ...
Posted Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:45 pm GMT by TheSalche
just updated this ... a little better written and i added a link to good ol diamond cutters starting hands 'chart' if you will
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