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2 stud hands and a question



Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:01 am GMT by zinn0
I'm wondering what everyone else does in this situation? With 4 Heart 's showing, I was scared to death, and from that point on I just wanted to get to showdown as cheap as possible.

PokerStars Game #3188779130: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/28 - 23:28:15 (ET)
Table 'Mathilda'
Seat 1: SIQWITHIT ($13.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Dragonballz5 ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 3: samaroo1 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 4: pluke05 ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 5: zinn0 ($6.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Nittany74 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: RealMisterC ($55 in chips)
Seat 8: Sparks_3rd ($21.50 in chips)
SIQWITHIT: posts the ante $0.05
Dragonballz5: posts the ante $0.05
samaroo1: posts the ante $0.05
pluke05: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
Nittany74: posts the ante $0.05
RealMisterC: posts the ante $0.05
Sparks_3rd: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT Ace of Clubs
Dealt to Dragonballz5 Ace of Hearts
Dealt to samaroo1 Three of Spades
Dealt to pluke05 King of Diamonds
Dealt to zinn0 Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of Spades
Dealt to Nittany74 Ten of Hearts
Dealt to RealMisterC Nine of Spades
Dealt to Sparks_3rd Queen of Diamonds
samaroo1: brings-in low $0.25
pluke05: raises $0.25 to $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
Nittany74: calls $0.50
RealMisterC: calls $0.50
Sparks_3rd: folds
SIQWITHIT: raises $0.50 to $1
Dragonballz5: folds
samaroo1: folds
pluke05: calls $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
Nittany74: calls $0.50
RealMisterC: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT Ace of Clubs Eight of Hearts
Dealt to pluke05 King of Diamonds Eight of Clubs
Dealt to zinn0 Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of Spades Queen of Clubs
Dealt to Nittany74 Ten of Hearts King of Hearts
Dealt to RealMisterC Nine of Spades Three of Clubs
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
zinn0: bets $1
Nittany74: calls $1
RealMisterC: calls $1
SIQWITHIT: calls $1
pluke05: folds
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT Ace of ClubsEight of Hearts Three of Diamonds
Dealt to zinn0 Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of SpadesQueen of Clubs Nine of Hearts
Dealt to Nittany74 Ten of HeartsKing of Hearts Jack of Hearts
Dealt to RealMisterC Nine of SpadesThree of Clubs Six of Diamonds
zinn0: bets $1
Nittany74: calls $1
RealMisterC: calls $1
SIQWITHIT: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT Ace of ClubsEight of HeartsThree of Diamonds Five of Hearts
Dealt to zinn0 Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of SpadesQueen of ClubsNine of Hearts Two of Spades
Dealt to Nittany74 Ten of HeartsKing of HeartsJack of Hearts Seven of Hearts
Dealt to RealMisterC Nine of SpadesThree of ClubsSix of Diamonds Two of Diamonds
zinn0: checks
Nittany74: checks
RealMisterC: checks
SIQWITHIT: checks
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of SpadesQueen of ClubsNine of HeartsTwo of Spades King of Clubs
zinn0: checks
Nittany74: checks
RealMisterC: folds
SIQWITHIT: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SIQWITHIT: shows Ten of ClubsAce of DiamondsAce of ClubsEight of HeartsThree of DiamondsFive of HeartsFive of Clubs (two pair, Aces and Fives)
zinn0: shows Queen of HeartsEight of SpadesQueen of SpadesQueen of ClubsNine of HeartsTwo of SpadesKing of Clubs (three of a kind, Queens)
Nittany74: mucks hand
zinn0 collected $13.15 from pot


Here is one more hand while I'm at it. The guy was showing trip fives, and he was betting them as well. I made my draw on 6th and wanted to know where I was at, so I raised him. Smooth call from lisego. Should I be terrified or happy in this situation? I almost laid it down on the river, but listened to my gut and called. I just didn't think he had the boat.

PokerStars Game #3188814507: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/28 - 23:31:37 (ET)
Table 'Simona'
Seat 1: Snomankw ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FLHT Bagger ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 3: gmunky85 ($44.15 in chips)
Seat 4: COOKIEDAN ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 5: The Medic ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 6: zinn0 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 7: lisego ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 8: luver ($13.75 in chips)
Snomankw: posts the ante $0.05
FLHT Bagger: posts the ante $0.05
gmunky85: posts the ante $0.05
COOKIEDAN: posts the ante $0.05
The Medic: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
lisego: posts the ante $0.05
luver: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw Two of Diamonds
Dealt to FLHT Bagger Jack of Diamonds
Dealt to gmunky85 Three of Diamonds
Dealt to COOKIEDAN King of Spades
Dealt to The Medic Six of Clubs
Dealt to zinn0 Jack of HeartsQueen of SpadesNine of Hearts
Dealt to lisego Five of Hearts
Dealt to luver Seven of Clubs
Snomankw: brings-in low $0.25
FLHT Bagger: calls $0.25
gmunky85: calls $0.25
COOKIEDAN: folds
The Medic: calls $0.25
zinn0: calls $0.25
lisego: calls $0.25
luver: calls $0.25
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw Two of Diamonds Ace of Hearts
Dealt to FLHT Bagger Jack of Diamonds Queen of Diamonds
Dealt to gmunky85 Three of Diamonds Ten of Diamonds
Dealt to The Medic Six of Clubs Six of Hearts
Dealt to zinn0 Jack of HeartsQueen of SpadesNine of Hearts Nine of Clubs
Dealt to lisego Five of Hearts Five of Clubs
Dealt to luver Seven of Clubs Eight of Hearts
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
zinn0: bets $1
lisego: calls $1
luver: calls $1
Snomankw: calls $1
FLHT Bagger: calls $0.95 and is all-in
gmunky85: folds
The Medic: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw Two of DiamondsAce of Hearts Seven of Diamonds
Dealt to FLHT Bagger Jack of DiamondsQueen of Diamonds Four of Spades
Dealt to The Medic Six of ClubsSix of Hearts Ten of Spades
Dealt to zinn0 Jack of HeartsQueen of SpadesNine of HeartsNine of Clubs Ten of Hearts
Dealt to lisego Five of HeartsFive of Clubs Five of Diamonds
Dealt to luver Seven of ClubsEight of Hearts King of Diamonds
lisego: bets $1
luver: folds
Snomankw: calls $1
The Medic: folds
zinn0: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw Two of DiamondsAce of HeartsSeven of Diamonds Seven of Spades
Dealt to FLHT Bagger Jack of DiamondsQueen of DiamondsFour of Spades Two of Spades
Dealt to zinn0 Jack of HeartsQueen of SpadesNine of HeartsNine of ClubsTen of Hearts Eight of Spades
Dealt to lisego Five of HeartsFive of ClubsFive of Diamonds Jack of Spades
lisego: bets $1
Snomankw: folds
zinn0: raises $1 to $2
lisego: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 Jack of HeartsQueen of SpadesNine of HeartsNine of ClubsTen of HeartsEight of Spades Queen of Clubs
lisego: bets $1
zinn0: calls $1

Also, what is considered 'winning' 7CS? I've read here for HE games that 1BB/100 is a decent rate...does that apply to this game as well?


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Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:35 am GMT by UrAteUp
1) Why no bet on 6th street?

2) I think you played this hand well.



Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:01 pm GMT by zinn0
UrAteUp wrote:
1) Why no bet on 6th street?


The guy had too many scare cards showing on his board. 4 hearts and a straight possiblity.



Posted Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:52 pm GMT by TheSalche
By 6th street, there were 5 dead hearts, which means he needed to have one of 4 of the remaining hearts in the hole. I'm willing to call that first one down. You did well getting a cheap showdown.

Second hand looks fine. Seems like a real loose game, so I like the double bet on 4th since you have plenty of cards left to help you (although your straight possibility is somewhat dead). With all those players in the pot, you're getting the odds to chase a bit. In the future, if you blank on fifth and your opponents seem to improve, check/fold it.

Oh wait .... just saw the trip 5s, lol. Ummm, DONT raise against trips showing. You are beating it now, but you're not a big enough favorite here to raise it. Check/call for a cheap showdown.



Posted Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:26 am GMT by TheSalche
Oh yeah, and to answer your question about being a winning stud player, I think at 'lower' limits, winrates of 2 - 5 BB/100 are very attainable, much more easily so than in limit hold'em.

Right now on record of my 1/2 Stud @ UB I'm at 9 BB/100 over 500 hands (extremely small sample ... but I think I could keep that at about 5), and at 3/6 stud I'm at 2.5/100 over 1400 hands, another small sample but I'd probably actually be higher if I started to record earlier.

Keep plugging at it ... I'm sure it'll come to you






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