Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:29 am GMT by TheSalche
So I moved $250 from UB to Pacific today ... so far with some great results, here's the only interesting hand I had, thoughts on it?
100NL on Pacific
Hero is UTG+1 with A  A 
UTG limps, Hero makes it $5 all day, MP calls, folded to BB who makes it $11 to go, UTG folds. Hero raises to $30, MP folds, BB calls.
(BB has $60 behind, I have $52 behind)
Flop: K K  10
BB checks, Hero pushes
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Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:36 am GMT by supafrey
It's fine.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:01 am GMT by tame_deuces
Yup, pretty much standard here. Don't be shocked if you lose. 
*edit*
An alternate line is checking behind and trying to let a non-observant QQ&JJ bluff at it on the turn, but only do this if you are capable of folding AA if the right card hits. I'm not to happy with that line on this possibly draw heavy board, but that depends GREATLY on villain's probable hand selection. If we say AA,KK,AKs,AKo,QQ,JJ,TT...then this alternate line can be tried. (Anyone have a view on this?)
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:55 pm GMT by AHBrownell
A  K ?
I think that flop totally sucks for your hand. Best case scenario you are up against QQ or JJ, but I seriously would be scared to death of KK or AK here. I think I would have done the same thing you did and would be prepared to see my opponent turn over 4 kings...
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:12 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
He definately has a pair to see a flop at that price, you have a 50/50 chance of not being dead.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:34 pm GMT by Johny
I'd hate the play if you were both had $200+ left, but since you didn't have much left I don't see how a bet would have got any information. Plus if he check-raises all-in it's a hard lay down. So all-in was fine.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:41 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Push preflop after the reraise, anyone?
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:54 pm GMT by TxShadow
I probably would have pushed after he made it $11 to go and been happy with my $16 if he folded, and I'd at least feel better being all in with AA before a flop with 2 K's on it.
Oh well, I'm also not yet comfortable playing $100NL regularly, so who knows.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:04 pm GMT by TheSalche
Pushing preflop was an option, but I kinda wanted to get all his chips. If he out flops me, then so be it, I made him pay a lot to do so.
He called the push, turn was a 9, river was a King and villain had QQ and hero takes a nice pot with the 2nd nuts.
Posted Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:11 pm GMT by Johny
That's the other benefit of making such a big bet. Since he had QQ, your push pretty much says I don't have King, wich makes his call a little easier. A check-raise on the flop and he can get away from it.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:58 am GMT by tame_deuces
Are some people forgetting that two As and two Kings are accounted for?
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
56.2698 % 53.85% 02.42% { AcAd }
43.7302 % 41.31% 02.42% { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Also AA and KK are not really THAT probable in villain's handrange (considering preflop play):
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
59.6757 % 59.51% 00.16% { AcAd }
40.3243 % 40.16% 00.16% { QQ-TT, AKs, AKo }
I haven't included KQ and similar hands, but if we include KQ we would have to include AQ..blablablabla...basically if we give villain a wide ranger, hero comes out better anyway.
If we feel villain would not re-raise preflop with TT, our win % goes upwards to 67%, but then we have gotten a very narrow hand-range...but I still don't think it is out of line considering the preflop action.
The only thing we have to worry about is how to get villain's money when we are ahead (and not be overly surprised when we lose). A push seemed to work here just fine, but villain's call is pretty bad though.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:53 pm GMT by TxShadow
Yeah, I'm suprised villain held on to those considering the preflop action followed by the push after the flop.
Ballsy play Salche, nice hand.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:00 pm GMT by TxShadow
Question though: If he had pushed after the flop instead of checked, would you have called it?
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:05 pm GMT by TheSalche
| TxShadow wrote: | | Question though: If he had pushed after the flop instead of checked, would you have called it? |
Probably ... and I would've been plenty pissed if he called $30 preflop with AK, but thats poker.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:20 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| TheSalche wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | Question though: If he had pushed after the flop instead of checked, would you have called it? |
Probably ... and I would've been plenty pissed if he called $30 preflop with AK, but thats poker. |
I have seen people call $2k with AK. $30 wouldn't surprise me at all.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by TheSalche
| 1988 TR wrote: | | TheSalche wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | Question though: If he had pushed after the flop instead of checked, would you have called it? |
Probably ... and I would've been plenty pissed if he called $30 preflop with AK, but thats poker. |
I have seen people call $2k with AK. $30 wouldn't surprise me at all. |
very true 
guess i got lucky he didnt hit then.
Posted Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:30 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| TheSalche wrote: | | 1988 TR wrote: | | TheSalche wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | Question though: If he had pushed after the flop instead of checked, would you have called it? |
Probably ... and I would've been plenty pissed if he called $30 preflop with AK, but thats poker. |
I have seen people call $2k with AK. $30 wouldn't surprise me at all. |
very true
guess i got lucky he didnt hit then. |
Nah, I wouldn't say you got lucky.... Just that don't put it past a guy to play AK in that situation. I really like how you made him pay for that privlidge pre-flop though. I put the guy on QQ. :D
Posted Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:05 am GMT by howzit
you played preflop very nice. . .you want the pot to be your stack size come the flop.
the reason why your bet sucks is that no hand that you beat will call here.
in any case, if you check the flop you might induce enough doubt to have QQ or JJ call you, if you have that type of image.
even w/my image, i don't get calls on this scary flop w/out somebody having a king or the underfull.
1988 has mentioned this: if i have AK suited i will call preflop raises if i don't have a great read.
i wish i could check these forums more often but my work has this site blocked.
edited: If i had QQ, i would be relieved to see a flop like this after the preflop action, easy fold. I got felted tonight when my QQ ran into AA on an unders flop (couldn't listen to my gut)
Posted Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:12 am GMT by TheSalche
| howzit wrote: |
the reason why your bet sucks is that no hand that you beat will call here.
in any case, if you check the flop you might induce enough doubt to have QQ or JJ call you, if you have that type of image.
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it sucks against any decent sort of player ... but then again, this is pacific, home of the loosest calling stations in the world
Posted Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:17 am GMT by howzit
in the higher games, you will be looked up by hands crushing you.
adjust your play to your game but you don't need me to tell you that.
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