Posted Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:30 pm GMT by tutubird
For some time now, I have been wondering if my play is too tight. For instance I woulden't play KJ off on the button 8 handed etc. Here is an example I have AQ off in middle position with blinds of 10/15. I raise 70, one caller, an all in from the small blind for about 250, and a call from the big blind. What should i do?
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Posted Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:44 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I would fold here.
The types of hands that would push crush AQ. Just not worth it.
AKs, AK, AA, KK, QQ, best case scenario you are up against JJ or TT, but unless this player was having a lot of blinds stolen or was on tilt I doubt he would push with these hands.
Posted Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:04 pm GMT by Johny
| AHBrownell wrote: | I would fold here.
The types of hands that would push crush AQ. Just not worth it.
AKs, AK, AA, KK, QQ, best case scenario you are up against JJ or TT, but unless this player was having a lot of blinds stolen or was on tilt I doubt he would push with these hands. |
Don't forget the SB only has 250 left, so he will push with a lot of hands, so you can make the call with AQ.
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:30 am GMT by AHBrownell
Johny I would be more worried about that caller then the all-in short stack. I do agree short stacks sometimes do go all-in with lower hands then they should - but if the player is not defending his blind OR not on tilt; I cannot see him pushing with something like AJ or TT too often. However, even if he did - having another player call puts you in a poor situation. You have a hand that may lose even if you hit the flop to one of the two players - and you may face a huge bet on the flop, turn, or river. You would have no way to know you are beat if a A hits. To me this is average call against one short stacks all-in, but against a 2nd player calling I view it as an easy fold...
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:20 am GMT by tutubird
AHBrownell, everything you just said, was everything that went through my head that time....so I mucked it. The initial caller called the all in as well. As the board was layed out, everyone missed. Initial caller had AJ, Small Blind mucked, and Big Blind had KJ of spades. And Initial caller won with Ace high....I'm just wondering if this table is just loose or I am too tight.
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:56 am GMT by Soup_dog
| tutubird wrote: | | For some time now, I have been wondering if my play is too tight. For instance I woulden't play KJ off on the button 8 handed etc. Here is an example I have AQ off in middle position with blinds of 10/15. I raise 70, one caller, an all in from the small blind for about 250, and a call from the big blind. What should i do? |
If your on the button with KJ and an unraised pot, I would limp into the pot. But fold postflop if you don't hit. Other than that I think the right move is to fold... even though I have a hard time doing that.
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:51 pm GMT by Johny
| AHBrownell wrote: | | Johny I would be more worried about that caller then the all-in short stack. I do agree short stacks sometimes do go all-in with lower hands then they should - but if the player is not defending his blind OR not on tilt; I cannot see him pushing with something like AJ or TT too often. However, even if he did - having another player call puts you in a poor situation. You have a hand that may lose even if you hit the flop to one of the two players - and you may face a huge bet on the flop, turn, or river. You would have no way to know you are beat if a A hits. To me this is average call against one short stacks all-in, but against a 2nd player calling I view it as an easy fold... |
Sorry, I didn't see the all-in was called in front of him, so folding the AQ is ok. Although I wouldn't be very surprised at the hands they turn up. Also, Tutubird you didn't let us know your stack size, wich is important. If you had 1500 or so than I think you can make the call. The caller would usually want to isolate the all-in player, so the call can seem a little weak.
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:01 pm GMT by Dave B
I would push all in and try and force the big blind and player behind me out.
Posted Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:58 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Too tight? I don't beleive that you can really ever be too tight. Dave is right if you want to play aggressive. You were right if you want to play it tight. It all depends on how you want to play the hand. AQ can be beat by several hands. If you felt one of the other players had any of those then you played it well but if you felt you had a good chance then you need to ask how you want to play, tight or loose. There are times when you can be the best hand with AQ then there are times when AQ can and is beat. Most times if someone pushes before me then I will lay down a hand like AQ. I might hate it once I see AJ win a big pot, but I love it when I lay it down and see hands like AA or PP take the pot.
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