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Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:53 am GMT by Dat_Dude
Early in a SnG, so I don't have any information on the players. Was my reraise too small? I figured JFF must be really strong since he was following a raise and reraise.
I personally think I made a good fold, but some might consider it too tight. Opinions?
Game #1135329990 (Level II, Game #1) - 10/20 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/05-22:58:13.3 (CST)
Table "Laamu" ($30 tournament) -- Seat 10 is the button
Seat 3: deanda81 (1,975.00 in chips)
Seat 4: JFF16 (505.00 in chips)
Seat 5: freemanpaul9 (1,145.00 in chips)
Seat 6: whites34 (1,030.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Turner01 (1,435.00 in chips)
Seat 8: stakkman (875.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Diesel_IA (2,150.00 in chips)
Seat 10: myface (885.00 in chips)
deanda81: Post Small Blind (10)
JFF16 : Post Big Blind (20)
Dealing...
Dealt to Diesel_IA 
Dealt to Diesel_IA 
freemanpaul9: Fold
whites34: Fold
Turner01: Fold
stakkman: Raise (60)
Diesel_IA: Raise (180)
myface : Fold
deanda81: Fold
JFF16 : Raise (485)
stakkman: Raise (800)
Diesel_IA: Fold
I will post what the two maniacs had in a little while.
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Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:58 am GMT by zinn0
I was going to say easy fold here, until I read the last line of your post about the 'two maniacs'. Dare I venture to guess what they had?? AK v. AQ maybe? or is that giving them too much credit?
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:18 am GMT by tame_deuces
Based on that action I would assume I was behind in the hand unless I had some specific reads on my opponents.
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:11 am GMT by Dat_Dude
Well, it turns out that JFF had 88 and Stakkman had 99. My tens would have held up and I would have taken it down.
JFF got knocked out and Stakkman later in the tourney pushed all-in with ATo and I called with AKs. I ended up taking 2nd.
Thanks for the replies. I figured it was the right play, it just happens that this time it wasn't.
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:47 pm GMT by DougisRad
No, this time it WAS. You're basing your opinion on the laydown on the result. I fold TT there 100% without a read. Your decision was right, even if they both had 72o.
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:37 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Definite fold against unkowns. Multiple raises pre flop in no limit is indicitave of a big hand, it just happens these guys can't tell the difference between a big hand and an average hand.
Size of your reraise was fine. Any particular reason you didn't just call and take a flop instead though? Looking to isolate initial raiser?
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:28 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| Hurricane Ham wrote: | | Size of your reraise was fine. Any particular reason you didn't just call and take a flop instead though? Looking to isolate initial raiser? |
Exactly. I just didn't think his raise of $40 was going to chase away one of the blinds, so I thought a reraise would take care of that. Either that or pick off the initial raiser on a steal or get him to fold a weak Ace. Basically I do that sometimes preflop early in a tournament (if I have a good enough hand to, of course) to get a feel for certain players.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:09 pm GMT by jimmer
i know you said it was early in the SnG and you therefore didn't have any tells on the other players, however that doesn't mean they didn't have a tell on you!!!
i constantly play people in SnG's where i've made notes on a player 3 months earlier.
if i thought you were a weak/tight player, i would of raised with a 72.
i'm not saying you played the hand wrong, but i think you need to look at the big picture.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:41 pm GMT by Johny
I think people overplay hands like 10s pre-flop. I will always open the pot with 10s and only smooth call a raise with them, unless the raise is too big or I'm short stacked. So I think your mistake was the re-raise because you left yourself wide-open for someone to come over the top.
Posted Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:44 am GMT by Jauron
| Johny4444 wrote: | | I think people overplay hands like 10s pre-flop. I will always open the pot with 10s and only smooth call a raise with them, unless the raise is too big or I'm short stacked. So I think your mistake was the re-raise because you left yourself wide-open for someone to come over the top. |
He's also 8 handed facing a raise so small he'll get nothing but callers if he smooth calls. 10 are too strong a hand to play for a set.
Honestly to me this isn't an automatic fold due to the stacks involved. If both players had been playing tight the fold isn't hard, if they haven't not so sure I fold here. AK, AX, small pairs make the same play. I'll race with AK every day of the week for pot odds now and knowing losing the pot won't hurt me that bad.
Posted Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:05 am GMT by Johny
I just don't like re-raising in that spot I guess, although there's nothing wrong with it. I don't play to only hit a set, I'm looking for good flops.
Posted Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:30 am GMT by waterman
| Jauron wrote: | | Johny4444 wrote: | | I think people overplay hands like 10s pre-flop. I will always open the pot with 10s and only smooth call a raise with them, unless the raise is too big or I'm short stacked. So I think your mistake was the re-raise because you left yourself wide-open for someone to come over the top. |
He's also 8 handed facing a raise so small he'll get nothing but callers if he smooth calls. 10 are too strong a hand to play for a set.
Honestly to me this isn't an automatic fold due to the stacks involved. If both players had been playing tight the fold isn't hard, if they haven't not so sure I fold here. AK, AX, small pairs make the same play. I'll race with AK every day of the week for pot odds now and knowing losing the pot won't hurt me that bad. |
i have to agree here. if he just calls the raise he's still got 3 players behind him who would probably see a cheap flop with a hand like KQs, A10s, etc. i like the re-raise in this spot, and i totally agree with his fold. in hindsight it obviously was a bad move, but i'd probably make that laydown with JJ or QQ in that spot, too.
Posted Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:07 pm GMT by TheSalche
I disagree with the re-raise here ... here's why.
TT is hard to play post flop, you're going to flop overs something sick like 90% of the time. If there's only one its not too hard, but if two come, what do you do?
It's still early in the SnG!!!! No need to start risking decent sized portions of our stack here. If you raise and get called here by two more people, you have 500 in the pot on the flop, you make a decent continuation bet of 250 or 300 and you get check/raised, now what? You just wasted ~400-500 chips where you could've only put 60 in.
You left yourself wide open for a re-raise from hands like KK or AA, whereas you could've seen a cheap flop with a good premium hand, but its not invincible.
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