Here's an interesting line with A3 |
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Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:18 pm GMT by TheSalche
Even a rock like me can make a LAGgy play every now and then. Villain said he laid down AJ.
If I'm not playing this hand like a maniac, should my line pretty much be check/fold or bet/fold?
Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1)
Table "Cannonade" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: splish17 ($80.15 in chips)
Seat 4: TheSalche ($82 in chips)
Dogsbolox: posts small blind $0.50
TheSalche: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to TheSalche  
2 folds
Bertram3: calls $1
2 folds
mcbird: calls $1
splish17: calls $1
SB folds
TheSalche: checks
----- FLOP -----   
TheSalche: checks
Bertram3: checks
mcbird: checks
splish17: bets $4
TheSalche: raises to $8
2 folds
splish17: calls $4
----- TURN ----- 
TheSalche: bets $13
splish17: folds
Returned uncalled bets $13 to TheSalche
TheSalche: doesn't show hand
TheSalche collected $19.50 from Main pot
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Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:51 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Please don't check/fold a perfectly valid top pair! 
Bet/fold or C/R them and scare them with your fake monster.
Or the good ol' check/call and donkbet the turn, always a puzzler.
For true laggyness. Check/Call the flop and C/R the turn.
Another favourite is rivering 3, but I only recommend that for advanced players. 
But a straigt bet into the open is usually just fine I think.
'tis a world of possibilities!
Tame (slightly maddened by exams)
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:39 pm GMT by zinn0
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Tame (slightly maddened by exams) |
slightly? 
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:04 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | | For true laggyness. Check/Call the flop and C/R the turn. |
I thought you hated this line in a different thread. Could it be that you've seen the light?
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:07 pm GMT by Phil14312
The only problem with the check/call and then c/r the turn is that you are putting a lot of chips into the pot with a poor hand. If you get called you are certainly beat and probably can't push the villain off his hand.
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:15 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: | | For true laggyness. Check/Call the flop and C/R the turn. |
I thought you hated this line in a different thread. Could it be that you've seen the light? |
Oh..._I_ personally would bet the flop when it was me to act, and then I'd fold like a little girl if I got raised. :D
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:53 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Doesn't smell like AJ to me...I think you just picked villain off on a button steal and they called the flop out of spite. Unless villain had very good reads or was very tight, anyway.
Don't do much 50NL, but I would imagine most players would raise on the button with AJ, even in spite of two limpers, no?
Not a bad line, see if villains got a real hand, but UGH the dreaded check/minraise. At least to go $10 I'd say, but preferably more if you're really into playing this hand like a maniac. Put villain to a real tough decision.
Check/folding top pair is kind of silly unless you're 100 percent positive you're outkicked, but seeing as the bet came from the button, there's little info to be had there. Villain could have any piece of that, or even air and just wants to take it down. Leading out for 3 bucks is good, and if called, slow down. If raised, definite fold. Tough to know if villain is sitting on an ace or diamonds, so what type of player you're up against is important. Maybe lead any non-diamond turn for 1/3 to 1/2 the pot, just enough for villain to have bad odds for a flush and see what happens.
Check/call flop and donking the turn is always fun too, but I've noticed has become less effective as of late. Nobody respects the donk anymore!!
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I would be curious to hear some opinions about this so please shred it if I'm wrong. By playing A3o aren't we assuming you are basically trying to pull a semi-bluff? Shouldn't you be raising strong preflop and then raising even more post-flop? Especially after the ace hits?
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:32 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Soup_dog wrote: | | I would be curious to hear some opinions about this so please shred it if I'm wrong. By playing A3o aren't we assuming you are basically trying to pull a semi-bluff? Shouldn't you be raising strong preflop and then raising even more post-flop? Especially after the ace hits? |
It is a very common idea, but there are better versions. In this specific hand TheSalche is in the BB, so he just just freerolled his TP.
Now, if you were to put up a bluff as you describe you will be much better off with hand like say...56s...because you really don't _need_ the ace if you are pulling a bluff anyway, unless you suspect there is a chance you will be called down by hand which couldn't beat a pair of aces (if you do, I would strongly suggest NOT bluffing in the first place actually )
With 56s or some other funky hand you could actually hit something interesting too, you got outs for a bluff, a semi-bluff, a legitimate hand and maybe even a hand villain doesn't see coming if you are lucky.
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:07 pm GMT by howzit
the way you played it, if he calls the turn, hope you catch a 3 if your'e not drawing dead. I check/fold a blank river, even another ace doesn't really do much for me.
i do not want to c/r big here on the flop. Who likes big pots w/a 3 kicker?
i generally lead the flop.
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:09 pm GMT by howzit
| Soup_dog wrote: | | I would be curious to hear some opinions about this so please shred it if I'm wrong. By playing A3o aren't we assuming you are basically trying to pull a semi-bluff? Shouldn't you be raising strong preflop and then raising even more post-flop? Especially after the ace hits? |
yes, this hand sucks preflop and postflop but hero is in the blind. I generally like to raise preflop when it's limped to me, especialy short-handed.
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