Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:47 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I have lost a lot of money recently when holding AA, KK, or QQ. If you bet these hands preflop and the flop comes three rags such as: 2  6  9  and your opponent raises here - what do you do?
I have a real tough time calling in these situations. It seems that most players would only raise here if they have you beat. Personally, if I had A9, I would not raise. I'd raise with a set (or just smooth call). Or a high PP like KK or AA. A lot of my "big loss hands" occur because I overvalued AA or KK and was willing to previously all-in or call large raises with AA or KK. Afterall these hands are just pairs.
The worst hand I recently hit was. I held A A in early position. I limped into the pot. Another player raised on the cutoff. The button called. The blinds folded. I reraised 6x the cutoff's raise. Both players call. Flop is Txx. I bet, am raised by the button, and I massively overbet the raise 10x. The cutoff folds, the button calls. Turn is a rag. I go all-in. Button calls. He flips over QT. River was of course a Q. 
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Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:18 pm GMT by Johny
Never play QQ-AA passively on a rag flop. Now I'm not sure if you play mostly cash games or tournys, but for tournys these are situations where you want to build big pots. I'm almost always willing to go broke with a strong overpair, especially heads-up. Some people will disagree with me, but I don't see anything wrong with going broke assuming it was a raised pot. Folding overpairs a lot will cost a lot of money/chips in the long run.
| Quote: | I have lost a lot of money recently when holding AA, KK, or QQ. If you bet these hands preflop and the flop comes three rags such as: 2 6 9 and your opponent raises here - what do you do?
I have a real tough time calling in these situations. It seems that most players would only raise here if they have you beat. |
That's the wrong way to think. Every time someone shows strenght you lean towards folding? There's a lot of your opponents holdings that you have beat. In a raised pot , the only thing you'd be worried about on a flop like 9 6 2 , would be a set, because it's rare that you'll be up against a bigger pair when holding QQ-KK. I pay off a set or bigger pair most of the time.
Posted Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:46 pm GMT by jaf625
| AHBrownell wrote: | | I have lost a lot of money recently when holding AA, KK, or QQ. If you bet these hands preflop and the flop comes three rags such as: 2 6 9 and your opponent raises here - what do you do? |
Maybe its me, but this is a beautiful flop if you are holding a high pocket pair. What better could you ask for? The point is there are very few hands at this point that are beating you. It also seems like you are afraid of being sucked out on all the time, because those are usually the only times you are going to lose a lot of money with those hands.
I was playing in a cash game once, 6 handed, raised 3xBB pre-flop in early position with QQ, 1 caller. Flop comes something like 8 6 2 rainbow, I pushed all in and the other player calls with 86. I kid you not. These things happen but they certainly should not deter you from playing aggressively with these hands all the time.
| AHBrownell wrote: | | It seems that most players would only raise here if they have you beat. |
I don't agree with that at all. Like I said, there are few hands that are beating you. I'd see people raising flops a lot with hands like AK, AQ, etc. or any other two overs to try and take it down right there. Also, I do think players with TPTK would raise here as they think they probably got the best piece of an otherwise lackluster flop.
Pretty much my point is that these hands are the few instances when the odds are really in your favor and folding after a flop like that is certainly not helping your chances. Sure there are flops that warrant folding AA or something like that but that sure isn't one of them.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:40 am GMT by Phil14312
| AHBrownell wrote: | | The worst hand I recently hit was. I held A A in early position. I limped into the pot. Another player raised on the cutoff. The button called. The blinds folded. I reraised 6x the cutoff's raise. Both players call. Flop is Txx. I bet, am raised by the button, and I massively overbet the raise 10x. The cutoff folds, the button calls. Turn is a rag. I go all-in. Button calls. He flips over QT. River was of course a Q. |
You got all your money in with as a big favorite. Don't look at results.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:53 pm GMT by TxShadow
| AHBrownell wrote: | I have lost a lot of money recently when holding AA, KK, or QQ. If you bet these hands preflop and the flop comes three rags such as: 2 6 9 and your opponent raises here - what do you do?
I have a real tough time calling in these situations. It seems that most players would only raise here if they have you beat. Personally, if I had A9, I would not raise. I'd raise with a set (or just smooth call). Or a high PP like KK or AA. A lot of my "big loss hands" occur because I overvalued AA or KK and was willing to previously all-in or call large raises with AA or KK. Afterall these hands are just pairs.
The worst hand I recently hit was. I held A A in early position. I limped into the pot. Another player raised on the cutoff. The button called. The blinds folded. I reraised 6x the cutoff's raise. Both players call. Flop is Txx. I bet, am raised by the button, and I massively overbet the raise 10x. The cutoff folds, the button calls. Turn is a rag. I go all-in. Button calls. He flips over QT. River was of course a Q. |
A rag flop is generally great when you're holding AA. Especially if you made a nice raise preflop. You have to assume that when the flop comes down rags, anyone that called your raise probably isn't holding anything that played, and even if they stayed in with a crap hand and paired one of those cards, that's great for you. Most of the time, if you see a raise after that flop, it will be from someone with a lower pp than AA, or more likely someone holding Ax that is trying to steal the pot with their A high. You can't fear the sets and 2-pair like that.
Aces will get cracked, know your players and do what your gut tells you. You can't just be afraid not to call a bet when you feel like you have the best hand just on the chance that someone might have gotten lucky.
edit: of course stack size, game type, bankroll, etc., etc. factor in, just saying in general.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:44 pm GMT by gol4pro
Why are there so many generic questions on this forum lately?
MOST MARGINAL SITUATIONS IN POKER ARE 100% READ DEPENDENT.
Against certain people, a raise on a raggedy flop is a set 100% of the time.
Against others, it means they have 33 or worse 100% of the time.
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