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Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:23 am GMT by tame_deuces
I figured I'd take this one step by step.
Online 50$ NL 6-max
Hero: About 70$
Villains: All around 50-80
Hero is UTG with: 6 5
Hero raises 4xBB
MP calls
Button calls
BB calls
Flop: 4 7 9 
BB checks, Hero....?
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Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:25 am GMT by zinn0
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Hero.... |
Fires out a 1/2 to 2/3 pot size bet?
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:59 am GMT by tame_deuces
| zinn0 wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: | | Hero.... |
Fires out a 1/2 to 2/3 pot size bet? |
That's exactly what hero did, hoping these fiends would respect my imaginary aces...but noooooo..... 
Hero bets 2/3, MP folds, Button calls, BB calls
Turn: 6
(Board -> 4 7 9 6)
BB checks, Hero...?
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:11 am GMT by zinn0
Wow, 6 scares me if i'm playing this hand. I guess it's time to see where you stand and bet at her again. I'm expecting resistance here.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:23 am GMT by traz
check behind
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:25 am GMT by Muck
I think you played this quite aggressively, then again I’m not a fan of 6 handed tables.
Anyway I’m just getting a little worried here. You’ve got them calling a raise from a player UTG preflop and a continuation bet on the flop.
I’d slow down and check the Turn hoping they’ll think you’re going to check-raise and let you have a free card.
If the river is a 3 fantastic. If it’s an 8 or a spade meh, but worth betting and see what happens.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:44 am GMT by supafrey
I'd bet. Half pot or so, just to build the pot. At worst, you may have just picked up another 2 outs for the win, and you can always check behind should nothing come up on river.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:22 am GMT by Soup_dog
| supafrey wrote: | | I'd bet. Half pot or so, just to build the pot. At worst, you may have just picked up another 2 outs for the win, and you can always check behind should nothing come up on river. |
Yep. I would put them on overcards are a high pair. Yout have a lot of outs.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:02 pm GMT by TxShadow
I don't forsee you taking down this pot 
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:29 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Soup_dog wrote: | | Yep. I would put them on overcards are a high pair. Yout have a lot of outs. |
I doubt they're all clean, and if he's up against something like A8 and an overpair, he's drawing very thin indeed. Worst case would be T8 , in which case he's drawing to the 3 .
With all that said, I still bet here if for no other reason to try to keep control of the pot. Checking to the button gives him all kinds of license to blow you out of the hand. A bet gives you a chance to a) win the pot or b) see the river for a reasonable price. If you get raised by the button or the BB, I think you need to give it up though.
Does anyone think an overbet works here? I'm thinking it makes more of your outs clean, even though the hands that stay probably have you beat.
*edit* Looking at stack sizes, an overbet might be all-in on the turn, I guess. What are blinds in NL50?
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:39 pm GMT by zinn0
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | Worst case would be T8 , in which case he's drawing to the 3 .
With all that said, I still bet here if for no other reason to try to keep control of the pot. Checking to the button gives him all kinds of license to blow you out of the hand. A bet gives you a chance to a) win the pot or b) see the river for a reasonable price. If you get raised by the button or the BB, I think you need to give it up though.
Does anyone think an overbet works here? I'm thinking it makes more of your outs clean, even though the hands that stay probably have you beat. |
As soon as Tame posted the turn, the first hand I thought of was 10 8 . I agree with betting the turn to keep control, and also as an information bet in a sense. You will know where you stand by the time the turn betting is done. Checking here is wrong on more than one level.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:07 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| TxShadow wrote: | | I don't forsee you taking down this pot |
I was beginning to get a bad feeling myself. But my dear ma always raised me to be an optimist. I was torn between pushing/overbetting to steal and betting 2/3 to leave myself with an exit or checking and give up on the hand...
BB checks, Hero bets 2/3, Button folds, BB calls
(and I might add that button's timer went out here...evil bastard).
River: K
(Board -> 4 7 9 6 K)
(pot is 110~BB, Hero got 90~BB, Villain covers)
BB checks, hero...?
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:35 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | River: K
(Board -> 4 7 9 6 K)
(pot is 110~BB, Hero got 90~BB, Villain covers)
BB checks, hero...? |
Check behind. Your hand has some showdown value, but not enough to risk a check-raise. It wouldn't surprise me to see villian turn over Kx and drag the pot.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:35 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Ignore this. I didn't read the previous post clearly enough.
donkage
Damn... you missed everything. Now your in a pickle. You can basically give up the pot and check or you can push and try to take the pot. I've lost track of how much money you have left but I don't think it's much. I think I would push.
/donkage
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:41 pm GMT by suitedaces84
The only thing you're beating is a busted draw. So, there's no way you can get value out of a bet. You'd have to put in a ton of chips to make him fold any made hand that beats you. So it's really a matter of what you think he's capable of folding and for how much. I'd fire again (1/4-1/3 of the pot) if you didn't pair, because he's got a busted draw a lot. But since you did pair just check-behind.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:05 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: | River: K
(Board -> 4 7 9 6 K)
(pot is 110~BB, Hero got 90~BB, Villain covers)
BB checks, hero...? |
Check behind. Your hand has some showdown value, but not enough to risk a check-raise. It wouldn't surprise me to see villian turn over Kx and drag the pot. |
Whoops. I didn't read that very carefully. He has already checked so I would just check. No more need to push money in the pot.
Posted Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:26 pm GMT by TxShadow
If he missed his draw and hit a king I will cry irl.
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:34 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
*bump* So how did this turn out?
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:42 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:36 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Oops, sorry for holding out, these pesky exams in real life make me forget about everything.
BB Checks,Hero Checks
BB shows JT
Hero wins with a pair of 6s!!
I was mildly amused by his hand, I had atleast expected a couple of spades here, I'm just glad the 3 or a non-spade 8 didn't hit. Also, after this hand I stayed away from suited connectors for about a week I think, this was just too hairy.
An enraged button claims to have folded two tens on the turn (seriously dude, reraise two tens preflop in 6-max!).
I know this hand may come off as a little FPS (fancy play syndrome) but I just thought it was an interesting hand.
Posted Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:22 pm GMT by TxShadow
| tame_deuces wrote: | Oops, sorry for holding out, these pesky exams in real life make me forget about everything.
BB Checks,Hero Checks
BB shows JT
Hero wins with a pair of 6s!!
I was mildly amused by his hand, I had atleast expected a couple of spades here, I'm just glad the 3 or a non-spade 8 didn't hit. Also, after this hand I stayed away from suited connectors for about a week I think, this was just too hairy.
An enraged button claims to have folded two tens on the turn (seriously dude, reraise two tens preflop in 6-max!).
I know this hand may come off as a little FSP (fancy play syndrome) but I just thought it was an interesting hand. |
Well who woulda thought? Glad it ended well
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