Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:39 am GMT by tame_deuces
Seems I'm spamming this forum these days, but these interesting hands just keep on flowing in. 
last two HU in a live single table 4 player tourney. Two players went out _fast_ and the stacks were much 'deeper' than usual for us at this point.
*edit* stacks corrected:
Hero is in the BB, has about 120BB
Villain is on the button, has about 80BB
Hero: K  J 
Button completes, Hero raises 4x,Button calls
Flop: K  6 7
Hero bets 2/3~, Button pushes, Hero...?
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Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:00 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Fold. This push smells like two pair or a set. If villain is a fairly solid player, then I don't think he would push here on a draw with decent stack, and if it is a bluff, why wouldn't he just raise you the pot to get some information?
I think he pushed hoping you had a high King and would pay off his set or 2 pair.
Just my $.02
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:13 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Call. What is it with these guys and their huge overbets on a semi bluff?
With no raise preflop in a heads-up game, I think there's very little chance of a set or bigger K. The only thing left is two pair which you have outs against, a straight or flush draw in which case you're ahead, or a weaker K that you have crushed. I'll take my chances and call here since I'll still have a reasonable stack to fight my way back should I lose.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:19 pm GMT by TxShadow
I'd have to call it.
I bet he's got a K though, KQ would be a definate possibility. Don't see him having big slick or of course you would have gotten raised.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:28 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Call. Why is he betting so much with a set or two pair heads up? You're ahead here more often than not I think. He didn't raise, so unless he decided to slowplay sixes or sevens pre flop, don't think you have to worry about a set. Two pair is a possibility, but I'm willing to take that risk with some outs. If in the past he limped into a lot of pots with decent hands, then I'd be worried.
Even if you lose, you've still got about 40BB, which is plenty to work with.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:52 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Call. Why is he betting so much with a set or two pair heads up? You're ahead here more often than not I think. |
I concur.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:52 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Well, I looked at the board, I looked at my hand and found it hadn't magically transformed into three kings like it would have done in some degenerate gambling version of a Harry Potter movie, then I said 'You know I will call with this hand in a HU pot, so why expletive are you betting so much you expletive.'
(In my norwegian dialect this translates roughly to: 'Du veit eg ser deg, so koffor vedder du saa mykje din grisepung?')
Then I called.
He shows AA.
I think I got pwned.
Posted Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:57 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| tame_deuces wrote: |
He shows AA.
I think I got pwned. |
What does the winner (me) get?
To me the whole time I am thinking that he is risking winning very little with a big hand if you fold, or double up if you catch a piece of that flop.
Posted Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:29 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: |
He shows AA.
I think I got pwned. |
What does the winner (me) get?
To me the whole time I am thinking that he is risking winning very little with a big hand if you fold, or double up if you catch a piece of that flop. |
Yes...there are some considerations to the hand though...I know I didn't make these quite clear, but I'll explain so I don't come off as a total donk who calls with anything.
1.) I was completely certain he had not hit a set, I've never seen this guy not raise his low PPs HU and I'd pay to see 3 kings. So nomatter his holding, I'm either ahead or have outs.
2.) He probably gives it a 50/50 if I have a king or not.
3.) He likes KX hands, this meant two pair was a definitive possibility, I doubted KQ,AK...with all likelyhood he would raise these. He could also have low two, but in that case a call is not horrible/horrible.
4.) He could have a 7 or an 8 and think his hand is the best hand and just shutting me off a 'rebluff' while at the same making me lay down a weak king.
5.) AA was a brieeeeeeeef possibility, because I knew he would most likely limp/call with AA, but I can't sit around worrying about AA HU.
6.) He knows I don't like KX hands, so he can have doubted I have a king.
7.) He could be bluffing.
8.) I'll have some chips left if I lose this hand.
Posted Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:31 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
What a sheisty fellow...
And I was still partially right being ahead more often than not, this was just one of those "not" instances. More often than not he won't be flipping aces.
Either way, he still made a ridiculously huge bet at a small pot with an incredibly strong hand heads up. If he thought it was just a continuation bet after the pre flop raise, blowing you out of the water isn't a good play. If he thinks you're on a draw and knows you're a decent player, you probably won't be calling a lot of your chips off on a draw. The only way he's getting value out of the hand is if you've hit the king, and even then you may fold.
Posted Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:06 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I just read this post now, I would probably call, but when i read how the hand panned out- It smelt more like AA then two pair or trips. If he had 77 or 66 on button doubt hed slowplay cos they not that strong once u see flop. But AA defo possibility, if i had two pair or trips i wouldnt move all in either, but with AA id move in,, it is only a pair after all.
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