Posted Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:30 am GMT by DougisRad
I rarely, RARELY post a bad beat.
This one made me hurt all over.
PS STT $5.50 (yes, yes, keep this in mind)
PokerStars Game #3291537853: Tournament #16296143, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/12/10 - 01:57:52 (ET)
Table '16296143 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Dougikins (3490 in chips)
Seat 3: customcutgrl (555 in chips)
Seat 4: bubudobakdan (2055 in chips)
Seat 6: Jondom22 (3580 in chips)
Seat 7: TheWhite23 (2980 in chips)
Seat 8: StayorGo (840 in chips)
customcutgrl: posts small blind 25
bubudobakdan: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dougikins  
Jondom22: folds
TheWhite23: folds
StayorGo: calls 50
Dougikins: calls 50
customcutgrl: calls 25
customcutgrl said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
bubudobakdan: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Dougikins said, "no kidding"
customcutgrl: checks
bubudobakdan: checks
StayorGo: checks
customcutgrl said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Dougikins: bets 150
customcutgrl: folds
Dougikins said, "........."
customcutgrl said, "dong dou te ching wong soon ya???"
Dougikins said, "eh?"
bubudobakdan: calls 150
StayorGo: folds
*** TURN *** 
bubudobakdan: bets 1855 and is all-in
Dougikins: calls 1855
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bubudobakdan: shows   (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)
Dougikins: shows (three of a kind, Aces)
95% fav when the money went in. I'm sure most of you have taken runner runner perfect before, but this is my personal worst bad beat.
Console me.
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Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:16 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Dude I feel your pain. I was playing at Doyle Room yesterday. First hand into a $5 SNG I get delt K10  . I usually wouldn't even play it but something told me to try it. I raised to make it $240 (6xBB bet). One caller. Flop comes out A J and an A  . I am one card from a good flush. I bet 1/2 the pot. Villian called me. The turn card was a 4 and I had my flush. I think I am going to end this right here and now so I push all-in. Needless to say I was shocked as heck when villian called. The river card was a 7 . I knew I had the nut flush. When villian flipped his cards I saw my worst nightmare A7o. He made the freakin boat on the river to knock me out in the first hand of the tournament.
So I feel your pain!!! Better luck next time. Personally I would add that person to a list or buddy list so you can get them at another table. They seem destined to lose allot playing that way.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:42 pm GMT by zinn0
| UrAteUp wrote: | | First hand into a $5 SNG I get delt K10 . I usually wouldn't even play it but something told me to try it. |
Whenever this happens, FOLD!!! Especially on the 1st hand os a S N G.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:55 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| zinn0 wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | First hand into a $5 SNG I get delt K10 . I usually wouldn't even play it but something told me to try it. |
Whenever this happens, FOLD!!! Especially on the 1st hand os a S N G. |
You won't have to tell me twice there Zinno. I am making it my rule to fold any 2 cards in the first hand of an SNG. Only time I might not is if they are As. If so then taking no chances and going all-in pre-flop.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:05 pm GMT by Johny
| UrAteUp wrote: | | zinn0 wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | First hand into a $5 SNG I get delt K10 . I usually wouldn't even play it but something told me to try it. |
Whenever this happens, FOLD!!! Especially on the 1st hand os a S N G. |
You won't have to tell me twice there Zinno. I am making it my rule to fold any 2 cards in the first hand of an SNG. Only time I might not is if they are As. If so then taking no chances and going all-in pre-flop. |
You can play that kind of hand but you want it to be for as cheaply as possible. Making that kind of raise is just wrong. 
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:11 pm GMT by zinn0
| Johny4444 wrote: | | Making that kind of raise is just wrong. |
I disagree. If you are the first one into the pot and you are going to play a hand, I think you should raise. It adds deception and really puts pressure on the otehr players at the table to find a hand. You limp, more than likely, marginal hands are inclined to limp with the odds they end up getting from the pot. Don't open limp.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:21 pm GMT by Johny
You think that 6x the bb raise in early position is ok? I agree that if your going to enter a pot from EP you may as well make a raise, but with a weak hand I wouldn't make it more than 3x the bb. With drawing hands you want people in the pot, not the other way around.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:31 pm GMT by zinn0
1st of all, we don't know that AteUp is in EP. Secondly, I will agree that 6xBB is a monster of a raise. But you need to raise nonetheless. I don't think that K10 is really a drawing hand. If I play it, spades are secondary. I want to chase out other semi-weak kings, ie. KJ KQ K9 etc.
Let me reiterate. 6xBB is too large a raise for almost any hand. But if you are going to enter the pot, don't limp in. That's when cray sh*t happens and then you start posting in the bad beats section when 67s flops a straight or something along those lines to beat your trips .
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:54 pm GMT by Johny
| zinn0 wrote: | 1st of all, we don't know that AteUp is in EP. Secondly, I will agree that 6xBB is a monster of a raise. But you need to raise nonetheless. I don't think that K10 is really a drawing hand. If I play it, spades are secondary. I want to chase out other semi-weak kings, ie. KJ KQ K9 etc.
Let me reiterate. 6xBB is too large a raise for almost any hand. But if you are going to enter the pot, don't limp in. That's when cray sh*t happens and then you start posting in the bad beats section when 67s flops a straight or something along those lines to beat your trips . |
The only value K10s has 9 handed is the straight and flush possibilities in a multiway pot, not top-pair. Unless you're counting on someone calling you down with K5 or something on a king high board. Also, bad beats are a part of the game and can't be avoided. If plan on only raising and not limping then you won't be playing many hands or you'll piss your chips away making raises with drawing hands/weak high cards.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:06 pm GMT by zinn0
| Johny4444 wrote: | | The only value K10s has 9 handed is the straight and flush possibilities in a multiway pot, not top-pair. |
Which is why you raise. To eliminate all of the limpers. Isolate and hopefully get someone heads up. I have found in my limited poker playing days that I was losing money because I limped to often. Now when I play a hand and I am opening the pot, I raise, whether I have AA, K10s, or 72o. My bankroll is bigger for it as well.
The point of poker is not playing as many pots as you can limp into, but rather getting value out of the pots that you do play.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:10 pm GMT by Johny
I don't think you understand what I'm saying, with a drawing hand you want as many people in the pot as possible. Why would you to chase away people with something like 87s? How much money will you realistically make with a straight or flush in a two way pot? This is all assuming it's early in a MTT/SnG.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:21 pm GMT by zinn0
we obviously aren't going to agree on this one Johnny. Maybe another day.
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:24 pm GMT by Johny
Yeah, I guess not. No hard feelings right? 
Posted Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:25 pm GMT by zinn0
Never!
Posted Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:43 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
So Johnny, you consider K10s and 87s to be about on the same level as far as being drawing hands. What about AK then? It's just two big cards, maybe suited, but there's no pair there. It needs to hit the flop in order to have a shot to win most of the time, so it needs to draw to win. By your logic, you should be limping with AK since you can argue it as a drawing hand. You should in fact limp with any hand that isn't a pocket pair, since they all need to draw to win.
Considering big suited cards as drawing hands is flawed, and yes K10s isn't a strong hand, but it isn't a straight up drawing hand. If Snoo is around he may back me up in saying AK type hands as drawing hands is flawed logic, and give better reasons for it instead of my ramblings after being stuck in a photo darkroom for six hours.
Posted Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:06 am GMT by tame_deuces
KTs is a good hand...if it is a good idea playing it depends on position, current action,the other players and your image, just like any other hand except AA and KK.
Posted Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:27 am GMT by Johny
| Hurricane Ham wrote: | So Johnny, you consider K10s and 87s to be about on the same level as far as being drawing hands. What about AK then? It's just two big cards, maybe suited, but there's no pair there. It needs to hit the flop in order to have a shot to win most of the time, so it needs to draw to win. By your logic, you should be limping with AK since you can argue it as a drawing hand. You should in fact limp with any hand that isn't a pocket pair, since they all need to draw to win.
Considering big suited cards as drawing hands is flawed, and yes K10s isn't a strong hand, but it isn't a straight up drawing hand. If Snoo is around he may back me up in saying AK type hands as drawing hands is flawed logic, and give better reasons for it instead of my ramblings after being stuck in a photo darkroom for six hours. |
I wasn't saying you should always limp with K10s, but are you really comfortable flopping top pair with it? AK is totally different than K10 and you know it. Hands like K10 are the hands that pay off AK. I would never limp in with AK, I'm not an idiot. Also, I probably didn't make it clear but everything I said reffered to being early in a SnG (Urateup's post), where you don't want to waste chips when you don't have many in the first place. Now if it's cash game or MTT where you deep, 100bb or more then sure opening for a raise with K10s is ok, but not when you only have 30-40bb. Make sense?
Posted Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:58 pm GMT by DougisRad
Yeah, so about my bad beat, hurts to read, eh? :D
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