$5.50 VC poker... What next ? |
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:29 am GMT by red_pen
BB=60. Hero is EP+1 w/QQ.
Stacks (approx 2000 each) 9 Handed.
1 limp, Hero limps, 2 folds, 2 limps, 1 folds, sb completes, bb checks.
6 to the flop.
Pot = 180. 662r.
1 check, bb bets 200, ep raises to 400 total, hero ?
hero was confident that the bb wasn't stupid enough to try a bluff into 5 others. the table was playing pretty tight.
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:49 am GMT by zinn0
Do I really have to tell you to raise this pot preflop? It will make all of your postflop decisions so much easier. I'm guessing with so many people in the pot, you need to fold here.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:39 pm GMT by Soup_dog
No doubt. You lost the hand by limping in. Fold it.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:51 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
With 6 to the flop there can be no doubt one of them has trips now, altho i'm betting it isn't the first all in guy, he probably has A2 or some crap 
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:41 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Hads like QQ deserve some recognition pre-flop. In other words raise it up a bit. Usually I like to give at least a 3-4xBB. I sometimes might even make it 4-5xBB depending on how sweet those "Hilton Sisters" are looking at that time.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:07 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| red_pen wrote: | | the table was playing pretty tight. |
Holy crap you need to raise that preflop. Even if the table is tight, someone probably has something playable that would call a 3x or even 4x. With you limping, EVERYONE's hand was playable to see a flop. You almost certainly do not have the best hand here....fold.
Posted Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:24 am GMT by TheSalche
ugh ... ugly hand
were you hoping to flop a set and get value out of it?
be glad they didn't slowplay this one
Posted Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:33 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
so...... like......... ummmmmmmm.........
what did happen next?
Posted Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:50 pm GMT by zinn0
I'm guessing he pushed and was called by 67s.
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:29 am GMT by red_pen
| Quote: | so...... like......... ummmmmmmm.........
what did happen next?
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| Quote: | | I'm guessing he pushed and was called by 67s. |
Not a bad guess - I, a-hem, "hero" called and bb pushed. Hero folded after stamping on his own toe for being so stoopid. BB showed Q6, because people are nice like that at the $5.50s.
fwiw - Hero did play for set / surprise value.
While I am here - hows about this puzzler (well it puzzled me).
Again $5.50s at VC. 5 left. bb =100. Each had about 3500, or at least there were no short-stacks a-pushin' bubble style.
Hero gets A  4 in the bb. there's 1 fold (the sb) and no raise from hero. So 4 see the flop, w/450 in pot, it is a tasty J 8 3 and i start counting my winnings.
As the bb, what the best approach:
check - w/ the intention of c-r (not concerned about giving set or 2pr a "free card" because any set / 2 pair would surely take a pop), or
bet 1/2 pot - look like you are taking a stab, + try and entice QJ, or K high flush draw to come along
bet full pot - for the same reasons above but for more chips
overbet pot - look like a made baby flush / nut flush draw / bluff
interested in opinions...
(btw have a nice Xmas everyone, or "Happy Holidays" to keep it multi-cultural)
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:39 am GMT by TheSalche
So you play the 3rd best starting hand in poker for set value? Let me explain something about set value ...
The reason most people online play pairs for set value is because while its a coinflip preflop, most people don't have the post flop skills or reading ability to determine whether or not their opponent hit a pair. Not only that, the blinds in online tournies and cash games is usually way too high compared to stack levels to be able to bet/raise enough to determine if you have the winning hand without giving up a lot of chips.
So we play hands like 22 - 77 trying to hit a set on the flop because we think if we do, we will be able to get enough chips out of our opponents.
Yes overcards will flop with KK, QQ and JJ, but that doesn't mean you should play them passively. You are losing a lot of money in the long run playing QQ for set value.
And come on, Johnny Chan said he thinks hes made the most money from QQ. Johnny Chan. Ever heard of him? 
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:31 am GMT by zinn0
| red_pen wrote: | As the bb, what the best approach:
check - w/ the intention of c-r (not concerned about giving set or 2pr a "free card" because any set / 2 pair would surely take a pop), or
bet 1/2 pot - look like you are taking a stab, + try and entice QJ, or K high flush draw to come along
bet full pot - for the same reasons above but for more chips
overbet pot - look like a made baby flush / nut flush draw / bluff
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Check-call the flop, check-raise the turn.
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:15 am GMT by Soup_dog
| zinn0 wrote: | | red_pen wrote: | As the bb, what the best approach:
check - w/ the intention of c-r (not concerned about giving set or 2pr a "free card" because any set / 2 pair would surely take a pop), or
bet 1/2 pot - look like you are taking a stab, + try and entice QJ, or K high flush draw to come along
bet full pot - for the same reasons above but for more chips
overbet pot - look like a made baby flush / nut flush draw / bluff
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Check-call the flop, check-raise the turn. |
Yep.
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:17 pm GMT by TheSalche
hah i was so disturbed by the "i was playing QQ for set value" comment, i forgot about the flush draw hand
if it gets checked around, and another diamond comes on the turn, fire out a small bet and don't be surprised if the king or queen of diamonds calls you down
Posted Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:54 pm GMT by jonesyb
red_pen what is your username on vc?
i play those sngs all the time..
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