one of those 'what was my next move' type of threads.... |
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:31 pm GMT by jonesyb
$5 - NL - 9 Seats 6100402-16 Holdem No Limit 30/60
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Hand Start.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 1 : Vipek has $2,260
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 2 : PokerJoe67 has $1,640
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 3 : philly77 has $2,050
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 4 : markus1169 has $1,760
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 5 : pilmart has $1,700
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 6 : magicmonkey has $5,280
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 7 : udic777 has $940
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 8 : jonesyb has $2,370
Dec 19 17:17:45 : philly77 is the dealer.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : markus1169 posted small blind.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : pilmart posted big blind.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Game 16 started with 8 players.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Dec 19 17:17:45 : Seat 8 : jonesyb has 4s 4d
Dec 19 17:17:48 : magicmonkey called 60
Dec 19 17:17:48 : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Next level in: 5 min.
Dec 19 17:17:54 : udic777 called 60
Dec 19 17:17:57 : jonesyb called 60
Dec 19 17:18:02 : Vipek folded.
Dec 19 17:18:03 : Stakes: 30/60 Current level: 2 Next level in: 5 min.
Dec 19 17:18:06 : PokerJoe67 called 60 and raised 240
Dec 19 17:18:09 : philly77 called 300
Dec 19 17:18:09 : markus1169 folded.
Dec 19 17:18:09 : pilmart folded.
Dec 19 17:18:15 : magicmonkey called 240
Dec 19 17:18:15 : udic777 folded.
what did i do next?
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:38 pm GMT by zinn0
Fold?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:50 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Well.... it's borderline, but with three others already in the pot I think I would call the raise and be ready to lay it down when I miss the flop. You have a decent chip stack at this point so I would be willing to take a risk on hitting it big.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:52 pm GMT by Dave B
Fold.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:00 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
You would have to be playing basically for set value here. If you hit the set, you are breaking at least one and possibly two players. The only problem is that if you miss your set on the flop, the hand is probably over since someone will more than likely have you beat. Is it worth $240 on that slim chance you hit that set on the flop? Probably not.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:01 pm GMT by TheSalche
the implied odds of calling a PF raise with a low PP hoping to hit a set and get your opponents stack only works well in cash games
fold
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:26 pm GMT by jonesyb
well yeah i folded.. as i always do in this situation...
what i am wondering though.... is how many callers of the raise would it require for calling to become a good option here?
enough crazy things happen where this situation 'could' arise so i dont think its too much of a silly question.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:27 pm GMT by zinn0
save yourself the trouble next time, and raise!
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:30 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I think Salche point about the difference between a cash game and a tourny is interesting. I can consistently do well in Sng's and small tournies but I can never do well in cash games.... maybe I should start a new thread.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:52 pm GMT by snoogins47
| TheSalche wrote: | | the implied odds of calling a PF raise with a low PP hoping to hit a set and get your opponents stack only works well in cash games |
Uh, what in the bloody hell are you talking about?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:58 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Soup...repeat after me. "Small pp early in an SNG even with position is a no no hand and I should throw it away". Chip conservation is key in SNG play. So you play the 44 and miss the flop. You just wasted 60 chips. Not allot but it could be put to better use. If you hit the flop you also have to worry about someone hitting a higher set then you. Why bother putting yourself into these situations?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:32 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Soup...repeat after me. "Small pp early in an SNG even with position is a no no hand and I should throw it away". Chip conservation is key in SNG play. So you play the 44 and miss the flop. You just wasted 60 chips. Not allot but it could be put to better use. If you hit the flop you also have to worry about someone hitting a higher set then you. Why bother putting yourself into these situations? |
Actually it's worse than 60. They raised it to like 300 or something. Talking about putting in 300 to win 1200. Your right though I should probably lay it down. (I know that in reality I would be sorely tempted to try it.)
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:53 pm GMT by jonesyb
when the table is still 8 - 9 handed and in the first two levels of blinds i play most pocket pairs.
fold really low ones is EP (most of the time).
if i call from EP though i find that more people are inclined to call after me rather than raise... which only helps my odds?? yeah?
am i on the right track here or...
.. is this bad?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:04 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
From EP, there isn't a right or wrong way to play low-to-medium PP.
You can fold if you are conservative and are sure you will be facing a 3x or larger raise behind you.
You can limp in hopes that most fold or limp and call small raises.
Or you could take the lead and be aggressive and raise in EP. Since you are in EP, many will give you credit with a good hand and either fold preflop or to a post flop continuation bet if they miss their hand.
All of these methods could get you in the pot (or out in the first case) for cheap and possibly come out with major chips if you hit a hand.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:07 pm GMT by jonesyb
ok then. $5 sng. 9 handed. everyone has T2000. blinds 10/20
very first hand.
you are in the big blind.
UTG raises half his stack.
EVERYONE calls round to you.
you hold a pair of 2's.
call, raise or fold?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by arras
instafold.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:14 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| jonesyb wrote: | ok then. $5 sng. 9 handed. everyone has T2000. blinds 10/20
very first hand.
you are in the big blind.
UTG raises half his stack.
EVERYONE calls round to you.
you hold a pair of 2's.
call, raise or fold? |
Fold. Too big of a chance that someone already has you beat. If you don't make the set then you've lost the hand and half your chips already. In an SNG you might as well either give it up and play like a wild man or start planning your comeback.
If you do make your set there is still a good chance that someone else has one as well with that many people in the pot.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:18 pm GMT by zinn0
Call me crazy, but early on in a full SnG, I won't even limp with 22-55 in any position. It just seems to help me avoid shitty situations when I *think* someone is trying to be sneaky with me.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:19 pm GMT by TheSalche
| snoogins47 wrote: | | TheSalche wrote: | | the implied odds of calling a PF raise with a low PP hoping to hit a set and get your opponents stack only works well in cash games |
Uh, what in the bloody hell are you talking about? |
okay maybe not entirely true all the time, but IMO its true here ... the reason being in a tournament you can't buy more chips so if you shoot for a set and miss, like in this case, hero is risking more than 10% of his stack to try to hit the set. This doesn't matter much in a cash game, since Hero can rebuy those chips next hand, but those extra few hundred chips will give the hero an extra round of blinds in a tournament.
I'm not saying that he won't be able to get 9x his investment preflop if he hits the set, I'm say the times when he doesn't it hurts him more than its worth (in a tourney).
But i'm weak-tight
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:27 pm GMT by Skribbles
| jonesyb wrote: | ok then. $5 sng. 9 handed. everyone has T2000. blinds 10/20
very first hand.
you are in the big blind.
UTG raises half his stack.
EVERYONE calls round to you.
you hold a pair of 2's.
call, raise or fold? |
Easiest.Fold.Ever.
You fold this hand and are 2nd place in chips as long as the pot isn't split.
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