Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:20 pm GMT by Skribbles
NL200 @ Party
Villian: Decent player. He has done anything to shock me. Only been at the table for about 30 minutes but I had only seen him play from the blinds, button and CO. Him raising from UTG+1 made me think high pair, AK or AQs.
UTG+1: $220 (Villian)
UTG+2: $350
SB: $175
BB: $150 (Hero)
Villian opens for $6
UTG2 calls
SB calls
Hero calls w/A  T 
Flop: 4 2 9 (Pot=$24)
SB checks
Hero checks
Villian bets $25
2 folds
Hero pushes all-in for $142.
I see it as a push or fold situation. Villian bet pot so I put him on an overpair or a set of 9's. He likes his hand and doesn't want to give anyone the odds to draw.
So...
1) Good push? I hate calling here because if my flush does come then I won't get paid for hitting it. With my push, it pretty much tells him that I at least have the A or possibly a made flush / low set.
2) Do you call in his situation with an overpair or a set?
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:25 pm GMT by zinn0
1) Good push? I like it.
2)Do I call here with an overpair or set? Overpair, I'm folding, though it depends on your 'image'. Set? I'm calling. There are too many ways to make a boat.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:28 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| zinn0 wrote: | 1) Good push? I like it.
2)Do I call here with an overpair or set? Overpair, I'm folding, though it depends on your 'image'. Set? I'm calling. There are too many ways to make a boat. |
Agree with the Big Z here on both accounts.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:59 pm GMT by Phil14312
I probably call with an overpair if one of the cards has the .
He is getting almost 1.5:1 that you are pushing just the naked ace. Of course if he has the K  K you aren't in horrible shape. I don't see villain with a set here. Hmmmm....the more I think about it, the more I like it. It really is push/fold. However, be aware the because of his image...he is likely to call your push with a lot of the hands he is raising UTG with.
I hate to be that guy....but the preflop call is marginal.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:06 pm GMT by zinn0
| Phil14312 wrote: | I probably call with an overpair if one of the cards has the .
He is getting almost 1.5:1 that you are pushing just the naked ace. Of course if he has the K K you aren't in horrible shape. I don't see villain with a set here. Hmmmm....the more I think about it, the more I like it. It really is push/fold. However, be aware the because of his image...he is likely to call your push with a lot of the hands he is raising UTG with.
I hate to be that guy....but the preflop call is marginal. |
That's crazy~ I just walked back to my computer to say if I held an over pair such as KxK or QxQ I might be inclined to call. Also, this really is a push/fold scenario. As Skribbles pointed out, if he calls and makes his draw, he won't be getting paid off as handsomely.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:51 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Phil14312 wrote: |
I hate to be that guy....but the preflop call is marginal. |
Very marginal indeed. I'm comfortable playing hands like this since I know I can lay down a pair of aces if someone gets aggressive. Only hands that I would showdown with AT in this situation are 2 pair, str8, trips or a flush.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:56 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| zinn0 wrote: | | Phil14312 wrote: | I probably call with an overpair if one of the cards has the .
He is getting almost 1.5:1 that you are pushing just the naked ace. Of course if he has the K K you aren't in horrible shape. I don't see villain with a set here. Hmmmm....the more I think about it, the more I like it. It really is push/fold. However, be aware the because of his image...he is likely to call your push with a lot of the hands he is raising UTG with.
I hate to be that guy....but the preflop call is marginal. |
That's crazy~ I just walked back to my computer to say if I held an over pair such as KxK or QxQ I might be inclined to call. Also, this really is a push/fold scenario. As Skribbles pointed out, if he calls and makes his draw, he won't be getting paid off as handsomely. |
I agree - I would have a hard time folding KK or QQ with a club. I would be thinking I still have the best hand - If the guy already had the flush, usually (but not always) he would raise me back, but not go all in.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:10 pm GMT by Skribbles
| zinn0 wrote: | | Overpair, I'm folding, though it depends on your 'image'. |
My image probably would be weak tight at this point. I was down $50 at the table and not taken a pot or played one aggresively. Poor cards and running into aggresive players at the same time.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:08 pm GMT by mikenike
no, i agree to push. i like that all in bet with all 3 clubs and the possiblilty of the nut flush
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:07 pm GMT by Phil14312
Against JJ,QQ, and KK with the , you are only a slight dog (44/56). Which makes me say pushing is most definately the best move with all that money in the pot.
Against AA, you are about 36% to win (just a flush draw). Push becomes more marginal....but you really won't be able to put an online player with exactly this hand.
K Q you are about 30% to win. Also, if he has 99, which is probably player dependent on raising UTG.
Bottom line...I push and expect to get called by Q Q .
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:13 pm GMT by howzit
| Skribbles wrote: | NL200 @ Party
Him raising from UTG+1 made me think high pair, AK or AQs.
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i hope this is the case. how often does he continuation bet into a full field?
BTW, if he has 2 overs, nice move!
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:33 am GMT by Skribbles
| howzit wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | NL200 @ Party
Him raising from UTG+1 made me think high pair, AK or AQs.
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i hope this is the case. how often does he continuation bet into a full field?
BTW, if he has 2 overs, nice move! |
Not to sure how often. I had only seen him for about 30 minutes. Combine that with multi-tabling... I really couldn't say.
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:05 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hey Skribbles...how did this play out? I am interested in finding out.
Posted Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:48 pm GMT by Skribbles
He called with red kings. Turn was a and I took it down.
The guy actually said good play!?! I was shocked. I expected him to rant and rave about how bad of a play it was to push with a draw, blah, blah.
Posted Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:08 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| Skribbles wrote: | He called with red kings. Turn was a and I took it down.
The guy actually said good play!?! I was shocked. I expected him to rant and rave about how bad of a play it was to push with a draw, blah, blah. |
I would guess that he would have played it the same way. That's probably why he called and said good play.
I think your play was clearly best. If he has an overpair and calls every time your play was only -EV by $6. So, he won't have to fold very often for it to be +EV.
Posted Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:15 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Very nice push in my opinion.
The original call with A 10o is definately questionable.
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