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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:01 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I am open to opinions and suggestions guys but be gentle. It was a micro SNG. I am abigfan.
This was a final hand of this micro-SNG. This hand just looked like poker suicide. My read on this player prior to this hand was much like myself, solid yet aggressive.
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$1 - NL - 9 Seats 6107357-44 Holdem No Limit 150/300
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Hand Start.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Seat 1 : calisnake has $4,180
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Seat 6 : abigfan has $13,820
Dec 20 00:33:32 : abigfan is the dealer.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : abigfan posted small blind.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : calisnake posted big blind.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Game 44 started with 2 players.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Dec 20 00:33:32 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Ac 5s
Dec 20 00:33:34 : abigfan called 150 and raised 300
Dec 20 00:33:35 : calisnake called 300
Dec 20 00:33:36 : Dealing flop.
Dec 20 00:33:36 : Board cards   
Dec 20 00:33:40 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 3 min.
Dec 20 00:33:41 : calisnake bet 600
Dec 20 00:33:42 : abigfan called 600
Dec 20 00:33:43 : Dealing turn.
Dec 20 00:33:43 : Board cards 
Dec 20 00:33:48 : calisnake bet 2,980 and is All-in
Dec 20 00:33:52 : abigfan called 2,980
Dec 20 00:33:53 : Showdown!
Dec 20 00:33:53 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Ac 5s
Dec 20 00:33:55 : Seat 1 : calisnake has 9s Ts
Dec 20 00:33:55 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Ac 5s
Dec 20 00:34:00 : Board cards 
Dec 20 00:34:00 : Seat 1 : calisnake has 9s Ts
Dec 20 00:34:00 : calisnake has High Card : Ace
Dec 20 00:34:00 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Ac 5s
Dec 20 00:34:00 : abigfan has Two Pair: Aces and 5s
Dec 20 00:34:00 : abigfan wins 8,360 with Two Pair: Aces and 5s
Dec 20 00:34:00 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 3 min.
Dec 20 00:34:10 : Hand is over.
Dec 20 00:34:10 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 2 min.
Here is a hand prior to HU play. This was 4 players remaining. I knew it was getting time to take a stand and I figured from the flop I had the best chance with only 2 cards to come. In other words time to take a blind leap and gamble.
My read on the two involved in this hand was bad but lucky players.
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$1 - NL - 9 Seats 6107357-35 Holdem No Limit 150/300
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Hand Start.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Seat 1 : calisnake has $3,430
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Seat 2 : tome20 has $2,860
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Seat 5 : Tiamat has $8,090
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Seat 6 : abigfan has $3,620
Dec 20 00:30:36 : abigfan is the dealer.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : calisnake posted small blind.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : tome20 posted big blind.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Game 35 started with 4 players.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Dec 20 00:30:36 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Jh Jc
Dec 20 00:30:42 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 6 min.
Dec 20 00:30:42 : Tiamat called 300
Dec 20 00:30:44 : abigfan called 300 and raised 300
Dec 20 00:30:46 : calisnake folded.
Dec 20 00:30:46 : tome20 called 300
Dec 20 00:30:50 : Tiamat called 300
Dec 20 00:30:50 : Dealing flop.
Dec 20 00:30:50 : Board cards   
Dec 20 00:30:59 : tome20 bet 600
Dec 20 00:31:04 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 6 min.
Dec 20 00:31:08 : Tiamat called 600 and raised 6,890 and is All-in
Dec 20 00:31:13 : abigfan called 3,020 and is All-in
Dec 20 00:31:13 : tome20 called 1,660 and is All-in
Dec 20 00:31:14 : Showdown!
Dec 20 00:31:14 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Jh Jc
Dec 20 00:31:17 : Seat 2 : tome20 has As 7c
Dec 20 00:31:17 : Seat 5 : Tiamat has Kh 7d
Dec 20 00:31:17 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Jh Jc
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Board cards  
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Seat 5 : Tiamat has Kh 7d
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Tiamat has Two Pair: 7s and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Jh Jc
Dec 20 00:31:22 : abigfan has Two Pair: Jacks and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : abigfan wins 1,520 with Two Pair: Jacks and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Seat 5 : Tiamat has Kh 7d
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Tiamat has Two Pair: 7s and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Seat 6 : abigfan has Jh Jc
Dec 20 00:31:22 : abigfan has Two Pair: Jacks and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : Seat 2 : tome20 has As 7c
Dec 20 00:31:22 : tome20 has Two Pair: 7s and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:22 : abigfan wins 8,730 with Two Pair: Jacks and 3s
Dec 20 00:31:24 : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 5 min.
Ok thoughts and opinions are greatly welcomed. Tear me apart if you see something bad. It's all taken in stride and used to better my play. Even at the micro limits you have to play good poker. Sometimes better poker.
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:58 pm GMT by General Sal
Well, this is a $1 sit n' go, so I think you played fine.
The pocket Jacks... well in bigger games that questionable when you see a flop. One guy has top pair top kicker, and someone moves all in on top of him and you call. Or it all goess something like that... one over pair might not be best in that spot. Well, someone could've been on a flush draw. Either way, you won the hand, but I think a raise more than 1x the big blind wasn't enough. Should be 3 or so at least. Someone could have had a set... then again they were stupid for calling with K 7.
Well, in the other hand you called an all in bet, suspecting a mere flush draw on the turn. Not bad.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:17 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I don't see anything terrible here, but I can tell you a couple of things I would have done slightly different :
Hand # 1 - I like the raise pre flop, although I would have raised a little bit more - 2x-3x the BB sounds about right. If he comes over the top all in, I would fold. My thinking would be you already announced you have a strong hand. Him coming over the top would mean to me a good ace or pocket pair - Both hands I would be in trouble against (sure he could be making the move with two face cards or be on the any two cards will do program, but at this point, your M is 31 - I would be a little patient). I would make the call if I were the short stack, but with the chip lead, I would be looking to protect it.
Anyway, he calls your min bet and comes out betting the flop. I would have probably just called here also. I wouldn't raise with bottom pair & it's not a big enough bet to make me fold. Then the guy goes all in on the turn.... hmmm that is a tough one. Bottom pair with nut flush draw. Tough spot & probably depends a lot on how your opponnent has been playing. Your getting a bit less than 2 to one on your money & figure to have probably 14 outs (30% chance of catching). I gotta think I am behind here, but there is the chance the guy is bluffing. I would say this is a 50/50 type decision with either play being OK.
I would probably lean toward folding, but could call an aggressive player.
Hand # 2 - I would raise a little more here pre flop. You have a nice hand, but a tough hand to lay down once the flop comes in a 4 handed table. I would raise 3 times the BB here. With the two players calling, you were only 53.2% to win the hand.... Heads up would have been much better for you - Closer to 72% against either one player. So you push your odds to a big favorite instead of a coin flip. The way it worked out was excellent for you as they both flopped top pair (Extremely unlikely occurrance as they both had a 7 and on top of that, 2 undercards to the 7 flopped). Raise a little more, try & get it heads up. Even if you just steal the blinds, you are in good shape to finish in the money.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:00 pm GMT by howzit
hand 1, why the min-raise preflop? all-in baby. . .
hand 2 is an easy push preflop.
big-bet poker is dependant on stack-size. you have 10bb.
get it in preflop.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:18 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| howzit wrote: | hand 1, why the min-raise preflop? all-in baby. . .
hand 2 is an easy push preflop.
big-bet poker is dependant on stack-size. you have 10bb.
get it in preflop. |
All in on # 1 is another way to go.... I just like to be a little more patient in that spot, but I will never criticize agression too much!
#2 - Also not a bad way to go - If they want to crack your pocket Jacks, make them pay for that privlidge. I think I said to raise to 900 - If one of the guys with 2k want to play the hand, they will just push all in anyway, so it gets you to the same spot. I think the raise as opposed to the all in makes it look slightly like a steal also, so sometimes a guy might push with a weak hand because they misread your hand. I dunno.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:24 pm GMT by howzit
my default is too push when my stack is low <10bb but what would be the benefits of stop-n-go for JJ here? more dead $ preflop?
this reminds me of WPT mirage hand. Jim Meahan vs. Eli Elezra. JJ vs. AK and all-in preflop. stop and go would've worked better no?
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:33 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| howzit wrote: | my default is too push when my stack is low <10bb but what would be the benefits of stop-n-go for JJ here? more dead $ preflop?
this reminds me of WPT mirage hand. Jim Meahan vs. Eli Elezra. JJ vs. AK and all-in preflop. stop and go would've worked better no? |
What does the term stop & go refer to? Does that mean bet pre flop, but not all in, and then bet if no overcards?
I like the smaller bet because I kind of want 1 caller or 1 guy to go all in on me.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:48 pm GMT by General Sal
| 1988 TR wrote: | I don't see anything terrible here, but I can tell you a couple of things I would have done slightly different :
Hand # 1 - I like the raise pre flop, although I would have raised a little bit more - 2x-3x the BB sounds about right. If he comes over the top all in, I would fold. My thinking would be you already announced you have a strong hand. Him coming over the top would mean to me a good ace or pocket pair - Both hands I would be in trouble against (sure he could be making the move with two face cards or be on the any two cards will do program, but at this point, your M is 31 - I would be a little patient). I would make the call if I were the short stack, but with the chip lead, I would be looking to protect it.
Anyway, he calls your min bet and comes out betting the flop. I would have probably just called here also. I wouldn't raise with bottom pair & it's not a big enough bet to make me fold. Then the guy goes all in on the turn.... hmmm that is a tough one. Bottom pair with nut flush draw. Tough spot & probably depends a lot on how your opponnent has been playing. Your getting a bit less than 2 to one on your money & figure to have probably 14 outs (30% chance of catching). I gotta think I am behind here, but there is the chance the guy is bluffing. I would say this is a 50/50 type decision with either play being OK.
I would probably lean toward folding, but could call an aggressive player.
Hand # 2 - I would raise a little more here pre flop. You have a nice hand, but a tough hand to lay down once the flop comes in a 4 handed table. I would raise 3 times the BB here. With the two players calling, you were only 53.2% to win the hand.... Heads up would have been much better for you - Closer to 72% against either one player. So you push your odds to a big favorite instead of a coin flip. The way it worked out was excellent for you as they both flopped top pair (Extremely unlikely occurrance as they both had a 7 and on top of that, 2 undercards to the 7 flopped). Raise a little more, try & get it heads up. Even if you just steal the blinds, you are in good shape to finish in the money. |
Um, I think his M is 18, no? Even, then, there's still room to play. Know what an M is UrAteUp? It's not something that melts in your mouth, not in your hand.
Posted Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:57 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| General Sal wrote: | | 1988 TR wrote: | I don't see anything terrible here, but I can tell you a couple of things I would have done slightly different :
Hand # 1 - I like the raise pre flop, although I would have raised a little bit more - 2x-3x the BB sounds about right. If he comes over the top all in, I would fold. My thinking would be you already announced you have a strong hand. Him coming over the top would mean to me a good ace or pocket pair - Both hands I would be in trouble against (sure he could be making the move with two face cards or be on the any two cards will do program, but at this point, your M is 31 - I would be a little patient). I would make the call if I were the short stack, but with the chip lead, I would be looking to protect it.
Anyway, he calls your min bet and comes out betting the flop. I would have probably just called here also. I wouldn't raise with bottom pair & it's not a big enough bet to make me fold. Then the guy goes all in on the turn.... hmmm that is a tough one. Bottom pair with nut flush draw. Tough spot & probably depends a lot on how your opponnent has been playing. Your getting a bit less than 2 to one on your money & figure to have probably 14 outs (30% chance of catching). I gotta think I am behind here, but there is the chance the guy is bluffing. I would say this is a 50/50 type decision with either play being OK.
I would probably lean toward folding, but could call an aggressive player.
Hand # 2 - I would raise a little more here pre flop. You have a nice hand, but a tough hand to lay down once the flop comes in a 4 handed table. I would raise 3 times the BB here. With the two players calling, you were only 53.2% to win the hand.... Heads up would have been much better for you - Closer to 72% against either one player. So you push your odds to a big favorite instead of a coin flip. The way it worked out was excellent for you as they both flopped top pair (Extremely unlikely occurrance as they both had a 7 and on top of that, 2 undercards to the 7 flopped). Raise a little more, try & get it heads up. Even if you just steal the blinds, you are in good shape to finish in the money. |
Um, I think his M is 18, no? Even, then, there's still room to play. Know what an M is UrAteUp? It's not something that melts in your mouth, not in your hand. |
Well, I am a CPA, so I wouldn't put it past me to do math wrong, lol.
Let's see, 13,820/450 = 30.71. No?
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:19 am GMT by UrAteUp
| General Sal wrote: | Well, this is a $1 sit n' go, so I think you played fine.
The pocket Jacks... well in bigger games that questionable when you see a flop. One guy has top pair top kicker, and someone moves all in on top of him and you call. Or it all goess something like that... one over pair might not be best in that spot. Well, someone could've been on a flush draw. Either way, you won the hand, but I think a raise more than 1x the big blind wasn't enough. Should be 3 or so at least. Someone could have had a set... then again they were stupid for calling with K 7.
Well, in the other hand you called an all in bet, suspecting a mere flush draw on the turn. Not bad. |
I thought about someone being on the flush draw but when that flop hit I figured to hold a flush draw with 2 cards needed was suicide play. So I didn't see a chance for anyone on the flush draw to call the all-in. My thinking was exactly how this hand ended. Someone hit TPTK and my over-pair was best. Why not call the all in? I know I would be in deep crap had AA, KK or QQ came up but I thought what the heck, double up or die. I am just glad double up came and not die... :D
As for the 1xBB raise, I normally will play any face PP with a 3-4xBB bet. I just thought this might be a good time to set a little trap. The 1xBB raise was to make them think I was going in with an Ax, 2 face cards or a small pp hand.
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:33 am GMT by UrAteUp
| General Sal wrote: |
Um, I think his M is 18, no? Even, then, there's still room to play. Know what an M is UrAteUp? It's not something that melts in your mouth, not in your hand. |
If I did I might better understand why that was a more questionable call that worked out for me. Fill me in Sal.
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:32 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| UrAteUp wrote: | | General Sal wrote: |
Um, I think his M is 18, no? Even, then, there's still room to play. Know what an M is UrAteUp? It's not something that melts in your mouth, not in your hand. |
If I did I might better understand why that was a more questionable call that worked out for me. Fill me in Sal. |
M is your total stack divided by the total of the Blinds and the Antes. It tells you how many rounds you could just fold before you get blinded out. Bill Harrington outlines it nicely in his book. He gives ranges for how you are doing :
Green - No worries
Yellow - I think this is an M of 5-10.
Red - Need to start putting your chips in. M less than 5. Looks for a chance to go all in (Usually want to be the first guy all in, not calling an all in). Any decent hand will do here.
There might have even been an Orange range, lol. I don't quite remember. Guess I need to read the book again. 
Posted Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:32 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| 1988 TR wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | General Sal wrote: |
Um, I think his M is 18, no? Even, then, there's still room to play. Know what an M is UrAteUp? It's not something that melts in your mouth, not in your hand. |
If I did I might better understand why that was a more questionable call that worked out for me. Fill me in Sal. |
M is your total stack divided by the total of the Blinds and the Antes. It tells you how many rounds you could just fold before you get blinded out. Bill Harrington outlines it nicely in his book. He gives ranges for how you are doing :
Green - No worries
Yellow - I think this is an M of 5-10.
Red - Need to start putting your chips in. M less than 5. Looks for a chance to go all in (Usually want to be the first guy all in, not calling an all in). Any decent hand will do here.
There might have even been an Orange range, lol. I don't quite remember. Guess I need to read the book again. |
I still have yet to read Harringtons' books. I imagine if The Mrs. went by my X-mas wish list then I will be reading both of them very soon. TR thanks for the explanation. It really helped clear up that M thing.
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