Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:51 am GMT by Peter06
Does the dealer shuffle the cards after each hand? Each Round? Each flop, etc?
Thank you,
Peter :D
(sorry if this is already posted, I searched but couldn't find it)
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Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:54 am GMT by Geno
I think this is a new question so don't worry 
The cards are shuffled after every completed hand - no shuffling occurs after the deal/flop/turn card etc, only after a hand has been won and all 52 cards are back in the deck.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:13 am GMT by Peter06
Thank you very much.
Happy New Year.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:23 am GMT by weirpougs
| Geno wrote: | I think this is a new question so don't worry
The cards are shuffled after every completed hand - no shuffling occurs after the deal/flop/turn card etc, only after a hand has been won and all 52 cards are back in the deck. |
this situation came up a while back in a home game. This kid started shuffling the deck after the flop was out. I said they all ready shuffled so why bother. He said it would make no difference, as in they will still be random. But is this so? Would it actually make any difference?
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:50 am GMT by Miss_J
| weirpougs wrote: | | Geno wrote: | I think this is a new question so don't worry
The cards are shuffled after every completed hand - no shuffling occurs after the deal/flop/turn card etc, only after a hand has been won and all 52 cards are back in the deck. |
this situation came up a while back in a home game. This kid started shuffling the deck after the flop was out. I said they all ready shuffled so why bother. He said it would make no difference, as in they will still be random. But is this so? Would it actually make any difference? |
i wouldnt allow for it. i mean your messing with the way the cards were intended to fall.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:40 pm GMT by Geno
| Miss_J wrote: | | i wouldnt allow for it. i mean your messing with the way the cards were intended to fall. |
I agree, you don't mess with fate 
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:49 pm GMT by Miss_J
| Geno wrote: | | Miss_J wrote: | | i wouldnt allow for it. i mean your messing with the way the cards were intended to fall. |
I agree, you don't mess with fate |
exactly, i mean if it's ok to do that, then you may as well shuffle after hole card too.
OH GOD WHERE DOES IT STOP!
i'm ok now.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:43 pm GMT by supafrey
Well there's no difference when you shuffle TECHNICALLY, but the way it is done is the way it is done. Don't mess with the rules. And stupid superstitious people that you're going to have to listen to whilst they whine at you.
Online poker is being shuffled continuously. OMG FATE!
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:02 pm GMT by ORGrinder
once you start the deal, the cards in the deck are in the position they're in and that should be it. granted, no one should know what position that is, but by shuffling after the flop (or any other time other than at the end of the hand) you're changing the way the cards would have come had you not shuffled.
jmho though.
Posted Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:09 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
That would be a misdeal. The only time cards are reshuffled after action is if the dealer inadvertantly turned the 4th and 5th streets before all action is complete. He would take the misturned card and shuffle it back in the deck, minus the cards already out and burn cards, and redeal the turn and river.
Justin
Posted Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:17 am GMT by Cheech3398
| JustinHEMI04 wrote: | That would be a misdeal. The only time cards are reshuffled after action is if the dealer inadvertantly turned the 4th and 5th streets before all action is complete. He would take the misturned card and shuffle it back in the deck, minus the cards already out and burn cards, and redeal the turn and river.
Justin |
-where did you learn that that is how it is done? That sounds a bit shady to me and whenever someone does that at one of my games, we act as if the flop betting had already taken place and jsut keep going with the dealer's mistake. I know if that 4th made my A high flush and the whole table was still in and he took it back and started to shuffle, Id be real real pissed.
Posted Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:41 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
Roberts rules. Section 5 on holdem. Pretty much all rules in that section cover these wierd situations. Specifically rule 8 which states:
"A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the firth card in the fourth cards place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burn cards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. The same applies for a prematurely exposed 5th card."
Also rule 7 states: "If the flop needs to be redealt for any reason (rules 1-6 cover redealing flops), the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card."
In section 16, part 2, Robert explains the one flaw with these rules and that is the fact that the dealer doesn't burn a card after cutting the deck. He agrees, and would like the rest of the poker world to agree, to changing the rules to state "the dealer cuts the deck, burns a card, then redeals...etc" He points out that the dealer has better control of the cards to be dealt by using a burn card as originally intended and that by not using one, you defeat their purpse.
Along with Robert's Rules, every casino I have ever played in the last 12 years does it this way. Hope that helps.
Justin
Posted Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:53 am GMT by galderon
| weirpougs wrote: | | He said it would make no difference, as in they will still be random. But is this so? Would it actually make any difference? |
Technically it would make no difference. However, if he's tryinig to shuffle the deck again without a cut, he might be trying to stack the deck. Or perhaps the burn card on the top of the deck slid to the side enough for him to notice a mark on the turn card, and it wasn't a card that he wanted. The initial shuffle and cut by a different person is there to try to prevent deck stacking.
Posted Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by Dave B
Or it could be that he knows that his out is the card on the bottom of the deck.
Posted Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:28 pm GMT by golddog
All the more reason for one of those plastic cut cards on the bottom of the deck.
Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:40 pm GMT by gazzio
Hey guys, I've just been discussing this and came across this thread on google when searching for an answer.
Basically, I play with a few friends and we never shuffle between hands once the game has started, this was what was decided when we first started playing as we weren't sure what the rule was but we had heard about 'card counting'; going on in casinos and so assumed that this would not be possible if the cards were shuffled between hands. However, another friend of mine claims that you can shuffle between hands and now your thread appears to confirm this.
I'm just wondering - how the hell does 'counting cards' work if you do shuffle between hands? Apologies if this is mind-numbingly obvious for you guys, I hope I'm not just being annoying and you can answer my query.
Cheers in advance for any answers...
Gaz
Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:00 pm GMT by supafrey
card counting DOESN'T work if you shuffle. That's the point.
But that's a blackjack question, not a poker one.
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