Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:48 am GMT by Dave B
SNG, 1500 chips, blinds 50/100, raise min preflop w/ A  10  big blind smooth calls w/ 3500 in chips. 5 remain, one short, BB big stack, rest from 1000-1500.
Flop A  7 3
450 pot Big Blind checks, you bet 150 and big blind moves all in. Now what?
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Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:55 am GMT by zinn0
I'm thinking fold. Villain could have AJ, AQ with 1 , easily dominating you. He could also have something like KJ , etc etc etc. Easy laydown imho.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:59 am GMT by arras
He's probably playing his big stack, but I think I would lay it down here. Of course I made this exact call in a cash game yesterday so.....
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:01 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Since he moved all in, I have a hard time putting him on a big hand here. I would call. :D
If you fold, you have 1250 chips left with 5 remaining. You need a hand to get in the money & I think this hand is as good as any.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:03 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| zinn0 wrote: | | I'm thinking fold. Villain could have AJ, AQ with 1 , easily dominating you. He could also have something like KJ , etc etc etc. Easy laydown imho. |
He is the big stack - No way could I see him pushing there with KJ
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:32 pm GMT by TheSalche
I love this move by the BB ... here's the beauty of it ...
You almost "can't call" without at least a club, you're still in contention if you fold this, but he's still gonna have a huge stack if you call and he loses. He practically doesn't have to look at his cards to make this move work.
I'd fold because I'm weak tight in situations like this (there's always a better spot right?), but I think calling is fine assuming that a) this is a decent buy-in ($33 and above) and b) the way the big stack got his chips wasn't in a donk way. I say this because that means he's thinking, and if he's thinking, he makes this move with any two cards.
Problem here is if you're wrong, and he has something like AxX , you are in a horrible place.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:38 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| TheSalche wrote: |
Problem here is if you're wrong, and he has something like AxX , you are in a horrible place. |
I disagree - If he has Ax with a club (A pretty good possibilty I think), you are still ahead since he has 12 outs. I don't put him on better than A10 with the smooth call pre flop. So even with that hand, you are favored. You need to double up at this point.
There is always a better spot? Getting kind of late in the game for that... He has an M of just over 8, which is actually a little lower with 5 people left (I can't remember the conversion formula in a short handed game).
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:43 pm GMT by TheSalche
Sorry, meant Ax + jack or better of clubs
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:46 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| TheSalche wrote: | | Sorry, meant Ax + jack or better of clubs |
Oh, totally then. I just didn't put the big stack on such a good hand with the smooth call pre flop - Usually they are pushing people around....
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:09 pm GMT by Dave B
Thanks for the replies. I should point out, I didnt say who I was. I was in the big blind with the big stack.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:21 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Dave B wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. I should point out, I didnt say who I was. I was in the big blind with the big stack. |
oooo ooo ooo
what'd you have?
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:26 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| Dave B wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. I should point out, I didnt say who I was. I was in the big blind with the big stack. |
Oh, you sneaky little devil. 
Did you have A 8 ????
Or maybe even a hand like 7 k ?????? This would give you even more outs.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:43 pm GMT by Dave B
no, much worse. You guys give me too much credit.
As it turns out, I was the favorite (14 outs). But I was being quite the bully. I just didnt see him calling at that point without a monster. I put him on an Ax, something good enough to raise the big stack with, but not good enough to go all in with.
I was right with my read, I just didnt think he would call there.
I hate reading correctly, making my move, then have them do something unexpected.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:00 pm GMT by arras
So how bad was it?
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:27 pm GMT by Dave B
67 w/ a club.
AND, I would likely play it this way every time in that position.
Posted Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:28 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I think you both played it fine.
I think that guy needed to double up. Because of this, I would have been a little more careful with my chip lead, but there is nothing wrong with being agressive - Especially since you thought he would fold.
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