Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:47 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
Ok i know everyone says how if u get 7 to 1 u should all no matter what u have
but for the sake of discussion lets take this example
u are in a mtt, blinds are 100/200 with 25 ante with 8 players at the table
u get 2 limpers when it gets to you in SB, BB is a guy who never raises from BB, UTG+1 limper is a player who plays a solid game
so the pot is 900 u have 100 to call and u look at 24o
now accordint to calculator u are 13.68% to win
is it really worth to call, i mean with 2 limpers and a bb still in, how likely is it that u will actually win specially since u can be up against so many overcards and lets not forget this is a MTT and every chip counts.
I tend to disagree with people who say u call with any 2, simply becouse protecting chips is so important in MTT's specially if blinds would be higher.
i can understand calling in a cash game where u can reload at any time and there is no pressure, but seriously is my thinking here flawed and if, why so ?
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Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:43 pm GMT by Johny
While looking at it from a mathematical stand point, when getting 9-1 pot odds you should call with pratically any 2. Although I try to limit my hand selection to hands that have potential, not hands like J2 or Q3. Most of the time though you won't be getting those kind of odds, so when the opportunity arises, you should take advantage of it. The other thing is that if you flop a monster and don't get paid off, all the dead money in the pot still makes it worth the limp in. I t also depends on your stack size as well. If you only have around 20bb than I wouldn't be wasting chips, but if you have around 50bb, than it's a different story.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:05 pm GMT by BeerWench13
It depends on your stack size, but I'd probably call here with any two that are suited or connected just for sheer odds. If you miss, you've not invested a great deal. Now, if you're short-stack, I'd push and try to steal the blinds or fold. If you're sitting on a fairly average stack then a call would be in order. If you're big stack, any of the above would be appropriate.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:58 pm GMT by Skribbles
Definite call IMO.
Don't always look at odds in MTTs. Look more at risk / reward. Instead of rambling why, here is a perfect example of why you do it. Don't know if you've read this thread or not, but it is Webby posting a bunch of hands from an MTT he won.
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t14167/how-to-win-a-tournament?start=0
PokerStars Game #3210966902: Tournament #15700959, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/12/01 - 14:22:04 (ET)
Table '15700959 37' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DeepRed2 (25480 in chips)
Seat 2: Malou (39930 in chips)
Seat 3: Shanti2 (11555 in chips)
Seat 4: Mariachi (22580 in chips)
Seat 5: TheDarkOne (19850 in chips)
Seat 6: longfellow41 (8705 in chips)
Seat 7: CHASING83 (25433 in chips)
Seat 8: z8h4k9 (10300 in chips)
DeepRed2: posts the ante 25
Malou: posts the ante 25
Shanti2: posts the ante 25
Mariachi: posts the ante 25
TheDarkOne: posts the ante 25
longfellow41: posts the ante 25
CHASING83: posts the ante 25
z8h4k9: posts the ante 25
DeepRed2: posts small blind 200
Malou: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DeepRed2  
Shanti2: folds
Mariachi: folds
TheDarkOne: folds
longfellow41: folds
CHASING83: calls 400
z8h4k9: folds
DeepRed2: calls 200
Malou: checks
*** FLOP ***   
DeepRed2: checks
Malou: checks
CHASING83: bets 1200
DeepRed2: calls 1200
Malou: calls 1200
*** TURN *** 
KBK51 is connected
DeepRed2: checks
Malou: checks
CHASING83: bets 1600
DeepRed2: calls 1600
Malou: calls 1600
*** RIVER *** 
DeepRed2: bets 4000
Malou: raises 32705 to 36705 and is all-in
CHASING83: folds
DeepRed2: calls 18255 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Malou: shows   (three of a kind, Deuces)
DeepRed2: shows (a full house, Deuces full of Threes)
DeepRed2 collected 54310 from pot
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