Which play do you prefer....why? |
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Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:58 pm GMT by Dave B
Lets say you are in a SNG that pays top 3 with 4-6 remaining. You are a healthy midstack, but in 3rd or 4th place for chips count. 800 starting-8000 total chips in play. You have 1500 and blinds are 100/200. You are dealt AJ and are not in a blind.
1) do you move all in here, knowing that any called raise will leave you or your opponent nearly pot committed after the flop?
2) do you raise and try move all in on the flop no matter what
3) do you raise and only bet if you hit the flop or feel that you are ahead
4) do you limp and try and hit a flop even if your limp is 15% of your chips
5) do you fold
What do you do any why? Please, no "depends". Assume all players have enough chips to severely cripple you or knock you out.
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Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:16 pm GMT by Johny
| Dave B wrote: | Lets say you are in a SNG that pays top 3 with 4-6 remaining. You are a healthy midstack, but in 3rd or 4th place for chips count. 800 starting-8000 total chips in play. You have 1500 and blinds are 100/200. You are dealt AJ and are not in a blind.
1) do you move all in here, knowing that any called raise will leave you or your opponent nearly pot committed after the flop?
2) do you raise and try move all in on the flop no matter what
3) do you raise and only bet if you hit the flop or feel that you are ahead
4) do you limp and try and hit a flop even if your limp is 15% of your chips
5) do you fold
What do you do any why? Please, no "depends". Assume all players have enough chips to severely cripple you or knock you out. |
If I have 10bb or less, I usually enter push or fold mode. The reason for that is that if you make a standard raise you're commited anyways, so may as well push pre-flop, when you still have fold equity. I think the only hands I wouldn't move-in pre-flop with are AA or KK, where I'd probably make a min. raise and hope for a re-raise.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:21 pm GMT by Muck
Okay no “it depends” but could I have a position and the previous action?
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:35 pm GMT by Skribbles
Limp - Worst possible play. As you said its 15% of your stack and its just asking for someone to raise you. If someone does raise, you can't very well call because it would be for half your stack most likely. Limp / push doesn't work in this situation either since any raise would commit someone to the pot.
Raise - not really a good option. Only thing I could see is raising to 600.
Reasons:
1) Anymore and you are definitly commited. A raise to 600 would leave you with 900 chips and a fighting chance. Even though it is only a 3xBB bet, if is a large % of everyones chips.
2) If you get called and miss the flop, you can still get away from the hand if he bets into you. If he checks to you.... tough decision.
Push - Probably the best option but still not that good. What hands are going to call? Probably any PP 55-TT which makes you a slight dog. Big pairs where you are probably looking at 3 outs or AK / AQ. I would doubt that you would be called by a weaker ace or Kx. If these players are somewhat decent then they know they have time and don't have to call a push with a weak hand.
My choice: Push and hope to pick up the blinds.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:41 pm GMT by zinn0
I'm with johnny, any hand that I'm playing once I get below 10bb is insta-push, bubble or not.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:29 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I'd push. Even if we only get the blinds we have still had a 20% increase in stack size.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:35 pm GMT by JpForum
Ya, i say push all-in , theres no sense in folding and waiting for a premium hand, act while you still have chips.
Posted Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:33 pm GMT by Iron Butt
| Quote: | | Please, no "depends". |
OK, so like everyone else, push. At a shorthanded table with some chip pressure the hand's too strong not to play, but you don't want to be reraised or play it out if you can avoid it.
So that being said...
So does anyone else think this is too important to be glossed over? With 4 players at the table and some chip pressure I'm looking for reasons to push almost any ace; with 6 I'm a bit more cautious. My sense is that certainly with AJ at a 4 player table you have a pretty good expectation of having the best hand; not so sure about 6. Anyone have any better info re the odds there?
Posted Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:01 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Dave B wrote: | | 3) do you raise and only bet if you hit the flop or feel that you are ahead |
I wanna have an out, so I don't push all in.
Posted Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:50 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
6 handed, AJ is a pretty strong hand and you're not especially likely to be dominated, especially if a person or two has acted before you. 4 handed, it's nearly a premium hand, so i think pushing here for value is a viable option, assuming no one else has entered the pot. If there is action before you, you need to be very careful with this hand. Against a loose player, I might raise all-in, against a tight player I'd usually fold, but if there's a raise in front of you I'd drop it almost any time.
Your M is only 5, and you have a hand that figures to frequently be the best, so I'd say pushing is the only real move, as long as no one has opened already. It's nice to take the blinds without a showdown, but I wouldn't mind being called and taking a race at this point that will pad my chip stack.
Hand is too good to fold unless there's action in front of you.
Hand is too vulnerable to limp and give a cheap flop.
Stack is too small to raise and have many options once the flop hits.
That basically leaves us with pushing, and that's my favorite move here, but again, I don't want action in front of me.
Posted Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:57 am GMT by TheSalche
Push from any position
only other reasonable play out there is a 'stop-n-go' type thing ... only works if you raise UTG and get called by non-blind ... the idea is to raise to 3xish and then push regardless of the flop
pros:
puts your opponent to a tough decision postflop
gives you more fold equity, if they missed the flop, they probably won't call
if you hit and you're playing against a lower pocket pair, they may feel committed still, and call you anyways, especially if the flop is Jxx or so
cons:
if you both miss, theres no guarantee your opponent folds AQ and AK, its just a bit more likely
when you're against a dominating hand, they'll probably either re-raise you all in preflop, or you'll just flat out lose the hand (which you probably would anyways)
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