Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I'm pretty sure I played this correctly, but I'd like to hear thoughts from other players. This is a live $4/$8 game.
Player 1 posts the small blind ($2).
Player 2 posts the big blind ($4).
Player 3 calls ($4).
Player 4 folds.
Player 5 folds.
Player 6 calls ($4)
Player 7 calls ($4)
Player 8 calls ($4)
Hero has 10  8 . Hero calls ($4)
Player 9 (button) calls ($4)
Player 1 calls ($2)
Player 2 checks.
Pot: $28
*FLOP*
Board is A  9 3 .
Player 1 checks.
Player 2 checks.
Player 3 checks.
Player 6 bets ($4)
Player 7 calls ($4)
Player 8 calls ($4)
Hero raises $8
Player 9 folds.
Player 1 folds.
Player 2 folds.
Player 3 raises ($12)
Player 6 calls $8
Player 7 folds.
Player 8 folds.
Hero calls ($4).
Here, my call reflects my future pot equity since I have about 1 in 3 chance of making my flush. Plus, Player 3 is the type that will continue betting if a third spade falls, so I figured I might win an extra big bet later just my calling here. Do you think I should have raised though (keeping in mind the cap is 5 bets, not 4)?
Pot: $68 after rake
*TURN*
Board is A 9 3 J  .
The turn gave me additional outs, 15 in total, giving me about a 1 in 3 chance of improving to a straight or a flush on the river (which I'm reasonably confident both of which will be good, but I'm rooting for a non-spade 7). Given the pot odds, I can't fold for any amount of money here, can I?
Player 3 bets $8.
Player 6 raises ($16).
Hero calls ($16). I'm getting 5.75 to 1 odds.
Player 3 calls $8.
Pot: $116
*RIVER*
Board is A 9 3 J 5 
Player 3 bets $8.
Player 6 raises ($16).
Hero folds.
Player 3 calls $8.
Player 6 shows A J for two pair.
Player 3 shows Q J for a pair of jacks.
Player 6 wins $148.
Poop. 
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Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:40 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I would have taken a slightly different approach since ur flush draw is a little weak. With that many players in, there is a decent chance of someone having the bigger draw.
I would have called the flop & turn.
If the flush were to come, I would bet/raise & call down if re-raised (Not continue to raise). But I definitely wouldn't be raising on the flop with a non-nuts flush draw.
Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:53 pm GMT by suitedaces84
It's hard to imaging any other way of playing it. And don't make yourself feel guilty about calling two cold on the turn. Even if the after the flop the pot was $0 you'd should still not fold on the turn.
I would've played it the same way; except I would have hit my draw and raked the monster pot.
Edit: If there was a 4-bet cap, capping would be probably be best. Although I doubt it makes much of a difference unless a 4-bet may buy you a free card. With the 5-bet cap, 4-betting may lose the guy in between, which could be costly. It's one of those spots you shouldn't think too hard about because the EV of 4-betting is extremely close the the EV of calling the 3-bet unless you have a very specific set of conditions. The flop decision will make little difference in your long term EV.
Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:26 pm GMT by snoogins47
| suitedaces84 wrote: | It's hard to imaging any other way of playing it. And don't make yourself feel guilty about calling two cold on the turn. Even if the after the flop the pot was $0 you'd should still not fold on the turn.
I would've played it the same way; except I would have hit my draw and raked the monster pot.
Edit: If there was a 4-bet cap, capping would be probably be best. Although I doubt it makes much of a difference unless a 4-bet may buy you a free card. With the 5-bet cap, 4-betting may lose the guy in between, which could be costly. It's one of those spots you shouldn't think too hard about because the EV of 4-betting is extremely close the the EV of calling the 3-bet unless you have a very specific set of conditions. The flop decision will make little difference in your long term EV. |
Even with a 4-bet cap, I don't think I like capping the flop here at all. You have a check-3bettor, and a bettor who called two cold already... It's probably not awful, but you're probably rarely getting a free card, and I really don't think you have an equity edge against 2 players here.
Player 3 rules, by the way.
Posted Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:45 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Good point. When you factor in the chance that the guy in the middle as a bigger FD calling the 3-bet is probably best.
Posted Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:30 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| snoogins47 wrote: | | Player 3 rules, by the way. |
LOL... for more info on Player 3, read my post about the 4/8 game at El Dorado (he is there referred to only as "Villain").
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t14828/reno-trip-report
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