Pocket Aces and Queens beat by junk |
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Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:36 am GMT by lilzeus
OK, I have read a few bad beats. Many just seem to be one hand that was better than the other. Not a 'bad' beat, just a beaten hand.
Ok, we all know the BB is a dangerous place to call against when the flop sucks, right? Here you go:
TEC tournament at UB. I havnet won but 2 hands in maybe 4 minutes and I am still down big time. I get QQ. I raise the minimum. One caller two hands to my left, and the BB calls. The flop was a junk rainbow, 10 7 x. The big blind goes all in, way over me at the time. I think, great...I definately call with my ladies. I made him for maybe a pair and was trying to steal. The person to my left calls the all in as well. hmmmm Turn comes J. No biggie. River was a 5. More junk. What did he have? 7/5o. What did the guy to my left have? A/A
It was twofer night. My queens were simply beaten, but we were both beaten bad by the dork with 7/5o.
Want another?
I get A/Ko. Big slick. mmmmmboy. Preflop I bet pretty big, push out all but two. Flop comes A 4 4, of course no flush potential. Action comes to me and I bet big, the pot atleast. Lose one guy, the other reraises me. I call. Turn is junk. I bet big and put the guy all in, he calls. What did he call my big preflop bet with? 8/4s And no, I didnt get an A on the river.
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Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:59 am GMT by FatJoe
on the plus side, it makes it easier on you in the long run if people are trying to give you their chips like that. on the other hand, it's not challenging to win and frustrating to lose.
if that sort of thing really bothers you, the best way to get away from it is to move up in stakes.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:00 pm GMT by nicthestick
Ya know what..... 84 suited is not a hand i like, but 54 is, and 64 is, you could have ended up looking at one of those hands instead of 84. I like small suited connectors in the face of a big raise, becaese if they hit, im golden. My advice..... be careful.. especially at the lower limits and in tournaments. Lots of very loose play there.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:42 pm GMT by Sente
In the first example, how in the world can be there AA and QQ out there and it is only raised the minimum???? The big blind gets a cheap look at the flop that way. AA and QQ almost deserve to get sucked out for not putting their chips in.
From the perspective of the BB, he has to call 1x BB. The pot is 5.5x BB (2x each from AA and QQ, 1.5x from the blinds). He has 5.5:1 odds to call. This means if he has 15% chance or better of winning, he has pot odds to make that call. And I'm not even counting implied odds - how much he'll get paid off it he hits. And almost any two random cards can win 15% of the time (in a three-way hand).
I ran the hand through a simulator using the starting hands. Pre-flop, AA will win 66%, QQ will win 19%, and 75o will win 15%.
OK, he is an idiot for pushing all in with middle pair, weak kicker. But please bet this guy out of the hand pre-flop so this doesn't happen. Yes, I am a big believer in trying to prevent a bad beat before it can happen.
Second example, it wasn't specified how large ("pretty big") the pre-flop raise was. We'll say there was a good sized raised and that the BB was stupid to call. Sadly, when in the blinds and facing a raise, all too often people with will call with their suited cards (we luv them soooooooted cards). Two big mistakes, irrationally defending the blind and playing any two random suited cards. Mistakes often made and even often they hit and win, but the odds are against them, so keeping raising and let them play their junk. For reference, AKo is a 1.6 to 1 favorite over 84s, winning 62% of the time vs. 38% for 84s.
Unfortunately, he got very lucky and the flop hit him big time. The only thing you can do is recognize that the BB has trips and fold instead paying him off.
Posted Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:00 pm GMT by lilzeus
Just to clarify the second hand I gave. That guy was NOT in the blinds. He was it middle/late position...7 or 8. I never said he was in the big blind.
Posted Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:34 pm GMT by saper88aa
Thats the thing ith hold'em.Especially no limit.That what i play.
THose big hand can make you or break you.
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