Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:04 am GMT by howzit
i steal a lot. . .
hand 1
5/5NL
me: 900
villain: 700
folded to me, i open to 35 w/KQo. loose button calls, straddle calls.
flop: A  A  3
straddle checks, i bet $40, button calls.
turn: 3 
check, check.
river: 7 
i bet $125 w/ the non-pair nuts.
hand 2:
me: 1200
villain: covers
I pick up TT in the CO. I raise to 35, solid TAG SB makes it $120 in pace. I pick up a read. i make it $400 even.
hand 3:
me: covers
villain: $900
two weak limpers, i make it $40 more in the SB w/Q9o. same villain as hand 1 (loose preflop caller) calls down. limpers fold.
flop: 9 8 4
I bet $75, BB calls like i may have the best hand.
turn: 3
i bet $225. i actually may have best hand.
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Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:24 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I don't get your bet on hand 1. Do you think he'll actually fold a pair? Maybe he will, I'm just wondering. I really don't like the river bluff. Either throw in throw in the towel and give up on the turn or fire again on the turn. If I were villian I'd have a very hard believing you had an A. If you bet the same $125 on the turn and I'm villian I know I'm playing for my whole stack if I call so I'll be much more likely to fold.
Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:39 pm GMT by screwthepooch
Not trying to be a dick, but I really don't see how your action is all that astounding.
Hand 1: Obviously you have position and as you said the nut non-pair. It doesn't take much with all the checking to take a stab because we all know he doesn't have anything to call with at this point.
Hand 2: Having pocket 10's doesn't exactly put you on a steal... If you read him for two high cards (AK, AQ...), then you have the best hand and it's pushable based on odds as well as folding equity.
Hand 3: You have top pair...unless he has a flush, he can't call. I think you only had 2 choices when the small flush card came, check or bet enough to find out for sure if he had a hand. Aggressive is better in my opinion, so good choice 
Just my 2 cents...I don't pretend to have more expertise at N/L then you, just wondering what makes these hands all that spectacular.
ScrewThePooch
Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:59 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Pooch - Not sure anyone said they were amazing plays...
Hand 1 - I don't like the bet much as the opponnent would call with just about any pair. Seems like you would only get called when you are losing?
Hand 2 - What kind of a "read" did you pick up? Seems like you are just hoping the tens are good - Which they may or may not be.
Hand 3 - Same as pooch said above.
Posted Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:04 pm GMT by howzit
yup, hand 1 nobody likes. My reasoning was, w/any ace on the turn, i have any pair drawing dead. So, no point in moving people off their hands on that street because the price to get a fold on the river would be more expensive. everybody says, they would've looked me up with a pair so maybe my non-pair nuts was the best hand.
hand 2: i figure i'd get JJ, QQ or AK to lay down. these guys in my game don't raise in the SB without a big hand. TT is the minimum to make a reraise. if he moves in, then i guess my read is all f*ck up. it was a timing thing where he raised really smoothly.
hand 3: i have no idea if i was bluffing or not here. but my default is to continue onwards until i have to cross that bridge. only problem is do i bet less?
these plays aren't routine and by no means spectacular. just want to hear how others would react when faced with similar moves in a vacuum.
Posted Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:37 am GMT by snoogins47
The river on hand 1 only seems to work if a)our opponent has Kc Xc and decides to fold. I just can't imagine Queen High calling here too much, and I can't imagine any pocket pair, sans 22, folding here, and you're still beating every draw/every random weirdo hand that he could have, so checking in position to show it down seems to be the way to go. I guess this basically comes down to: how often does he have a pocket pair, and how often does he fold it?
In hand 2, this is probably the only way you'll ever win this pot (short of sucking out) if he's got JJ/QQ... but this whole thing is really heavily dependent on him, your read, your image, etc.
I think in position here, when there's a chance he may be making this move heads up with a weaker hand, a line to think about is to flat call, and really show your strength after the flop... I have to ask: what, if any, is the max buy in this game? And is our solid TAG the type to really do his best to "protect his wins" if he's up a significant amount? It seems like most people are, to some degree.
A lot of it depends on how he views you: with your image, he might never fold JJ/QQ, even when the flop is stupid and ragged, so re-raising here, which tends to represent the biggest of the big pairs, might be a fruitless effort.... until you flop a set and crush him.
So, it all depends on your read and all that, so it's hard to really get too in depth with it.
To elaborate a bit though: I like flat-calling here, even with a read of general "weakness" (I.E. he probably doesn't have complete trash, but a smaller pair, or AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, AT, etc are very possible) but there's a caveat: I raise almost every flop. And I'm hardly exagerrating. Ace high flops are a bitch... depending on the size of his almost inevitable continuation bet, this might be a time for the good ol' delayed bluff... assuming a)he knows we're aggressive, and b)he isn't very likely to keep firing after being called on an ace-high board with a smaller pair.
Every other flop is pretty much gravy.
Hand 3: I think the turn bet might be a little large, mostly because a smaller bet accomplishes almost everything a larger one does. These situations are annoying though, especially out of position. You mentioned that he's loose preflop... is he pretty liberal with his calls post flop too? What would a call on the flop mean for him on this board? (There are some players where the low spade is one of the least scary cards I can see here, since they would have raised with a flush draw nearly 100% of the time)
If he's stupidly loose and passive, I don't mind a bigger bet here, since he's got a worse nine, or a pair of eights, or whatever, a decent chunk of the time, and you're not too worried about being in such a murky position, since you have so much value against him. If he's more reasonable post flop, I think a smaller bet on the turn is probably the way to go. That's just me talking though...I absolutely hate bloating pots out of position with hands that have some amount, but not a ton, of showdown value. It's one of those areas that really sticks out to me as fuzzy/tricky.
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