Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:26 pm GMT by zinn0
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PokerStars Game #3677447457: Tournament #18258794, Hold'em No Limit -
Level II (15/30) - 2006/01/18 - 14:24:15 (ET)
Table '18258794 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: 1 pek (1540 in chips)
Seat 2: debbiwon (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: ChesterKid (680 in chips)
Seat 4: tmpdbh (2100 in chips)
Seat 5: zinn0 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: PHBNDR420 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: macrmp (1630 in chips)
Seat 9: damundo (3090 in chips)
1 pek: posts small blind 15
debbiwon: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zinn0  
ChesterKid: calls 30
tmpdbh: folds
zinn0: raises 60 to 90
PHBNDR420: calls 90
macrmp: calls 90
damundo: folds
1 pek: calls 75
debbiwon: folds
ChesterKid: folds
*** FLOP ***   
1 pek: checks
zinn0: bets 390
PHBNDR420: calls 390
macrmp: calls 390
1 pek: calls 390
*** TURN *** 
1 pek: checks
zinn0:???
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Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:41 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I would push all in.
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:18 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
All in.
You are probably looking at 2 people on straight draws and another with KJ or QJ. The only real hand you should be scared of is QT. I would bet nobody has a set because with the possibly draws out there, they would be an idiot not to push after your flop bet.
Just my $.02
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:45 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Zinno dude, personally I would have pushed a little more pre-flop. That hand has to be worth at least 120 pre-flop if it's worth a dime. Now after that A hit on the turn, call me all-in boys. If I lose to a straight draw then so be it but personally I just don't see it. I would have to say one of these guys is on a straight draw but has K10, one has an Ax and 1 has QQ. Come on back now and tell me how right I am and how you won the pot with two pair.
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by zinn0
Well, I don't know why I didn't raise 4xBB with this hand. AJ has gotten me into trouble lately, so maybe that's why I only raised 3x. Weak excuse, I know.
Anyway, I hate playing hands like this in multi-way pots because ineviteably (sp?) someone is going to crush you. Once the turn hit I thought I might be beat. There were 3 players that smooth called my preflop raise and all 3 smooth called my post flop raise. I had to assume at least one of them had an open ended straight draw, and another probably had a J as well as a gutshot draw. Here is the rest of the hand.
*** TURN ***
1 pek: checks
zinn0: bets 990 and is all-in
PHBNDR420: raises 30 to 1020 and is all-in
macrmp: calls 1020
1 pek: raises 40 to 1060 and is all-in
macrmp: calls 40
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1 pek: shows   (a straight, Ten to Ace)
macrmp: shows   (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
1 pek collected 80 from side pot-2
PHBNDR420: shows   (a straight, Ten to Ace)
1 pek collected 45 from side pot-1
PHBNDR420 collected 45 from side pot-1
zinn0: shows (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
1 pek collected 2970 from main pot
PHBNDR420 collected 2970 from main pot
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:23 pm GMT by Soup_dog
So now we are all broke. Dang it. 
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:08 pm GMT by TallBrad
I have a question. Even though he only raised 3x, if you were sitting with KQo, would you call it. I am a newb and these types of starting hands screw with my head. I typically would fold it.
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:22 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Hmmm.... I would probably call in late position and fold if nothing came on the flop. I am starting to realize that I play too loose though so I will be curious to hear what some of the better players have to say.
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by zinn0
| TallBrad wrote: | | I have a question. Even though he only raised 3x, if you were sitting with KQo, would you call it. I am a newb and these types of starting hands screw with my head. I typically would fold it. |
I fold KQo to a raise 85% of the time. I rarely open with it either unless the table folds to me in MLP.
Posted Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:31 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| TallBrad wrote: | | I have a question. Even though he only raised 3x, if you were sitting with KQo, would you call it. I am a newb and these types of starting hands screw with my head. I typically would fold it. |
It all depends really. Do I have position on the initial raiser? Was there a caller between the raiser and myself? What odds am I getting on my money to call a preflop raise? Is the raiser a tight or loose player?
I think if I were in early-to-middle position, I would fold since you are unsure if someone else in late position will come over the top. If I were on the button, I would almost always call with this hand since you might have a chance to bluff the raiser if a flop of all low cards come out and you can fold if it is a scary board.
Just my $.02
Edit: Also, if I do decide to call and hit either a K or a Q on the flop, be prepared to fold the hand if you are betting or raising and the initial raiser is coming over the top. Too many players get busted by kickers when playing hands like this.
Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:29 am GMT by UrAteUp
| TallBrad wrote: | | I have a question. Even though he only raised 3x, if you were sitting with KQo, would you call it. I am a newb and these types of starting hands screw with my head. I typically would fold it. |
Your playing smart if your folding these types of hands to a large raise. As Dat says it depends on position and pre-flop raise. If I was in LP with only a 3xBB raise then chances are I am going to see a flop. If the flop looks to offer me a two pair, a set, flush or straight draw or anything better then I will stick around. If I am playing a draw and get the odds I need then I will keep playing for my draw. If I hit my draw then I push and make the others decide if I have a hand or not.
Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:17 pm GMT by Phil14312
Turbo=reason to push=top-two pair push this draw-heavy board.
Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:26 pm GMT by Loonbat
As soon as I saw the flop, the turn and then the turn bet, I knew the nuts was out there. KQ (suited or non) is an overvalued hand in alot of players' mind. It's also one of my leaks from time-to-time. BUT, folding top two is rarely an option ...
Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:50 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Tough hand to get away from.
Strange board in that there were a lot of straight possibilities :
KQ
97
Q9
Posted Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:28 pm GMT by Loonbat
| 1988 TR wrote: | Tough hand to get away from.
Strange board in that there were a lot of straight possibilities :
KQ
97
Q9 |
True, but with most players I'd rule out the 97 and Q9 with that preflop raise.
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