Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:12 pm GMT by TxShadow
Live game $20 NL (home game) .25/.50 blinds
Hero: ~$23 on the button
Villain: Covers (probably around $50) on the big blind
Villain has been playing LOTS of hands, calling lots of bets, very loose aggresive. Been sucking out on people all night long.
I've been playing very tight and aggresive when I get a hand, which hasn't been much all night.
Dealt to Hero: AKos
UTG calls .50
CO calls .50
Hero raises to $2
SB folds
Villain calls $1.50
UTG folds
CO folds
Heads up for the flop, $5.25 in the pot.
Flop: J, T, 8 rainbow
Villain (inevitably) bets $3
Hero raises to $9
Villain thinks and calls $6
I knew the J was a possibility, but the way he's been playing I'm not giving him credit. So I'm going to represent it.
Pot: $23.25
Turn: J
Villain bets $4, definately don't think he has a J
Hero goes all in ~$15.00
Villain calls
Dude flips over QTos for a pair of T's and a gutshot
River is a 9 just to rub it in and give him a straight.
I guess I could have saved a bunch of money here by laying it down when I didn't have anything. I knew he didn't have that J though, and I didn't see how in the hell he could have called with any other piece of it. I'm having a hard time figuring out if I'm just not patient enough playing NL, or if I'm maybe too easy to read, or if I played this correctly and just got called by Captain Luckbox.
Opinions?
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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:23 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Brutal.
This is a bit of a leak I have in my game.
You have a strong starting hand but miss the flop.
After taking a stab at stealing the pot he plays back at you. At this point you should have checked/folded it to the river. Instead you convinced yourself a bigger bet would chase him out. Sure he was a luckbox bonehead, but he could have had a LOT of different hands to beat you.
I do this ALL the time... and it KILLS me all the time. I need to start giving other players credit for having better hands when they play back at me and I have diddly. I will be wrong sometimes, but I think it will save me more money in the end.
Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:25 pm GMT by Tadzio
No offense, he might've been a horrible suck-out king, but I think he played that particular hand pretty well. Put yourself in his shoes.
PF call was loose, but he's got twice your chips (was he chip leader?). And he's getting 3:1 on his money. Might as well see a flop.
But the flop hit him solid. Middle pair with a gutshot straight draw. He made a reasonable bet here and you raised him the pot. Now I dunno if he had a read on ya, but if he was gonna fold to you, he probably would have done it here.
On the turn he bet some whimpy amount and you came over the top. Being that he had more than twice your money, all he had to do was decide if 2.5:1 on his money was worth seeing if you had AJ, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA. And he still had outs if you had most of those hands. 6 of them (4 if you had AJ, 0 if you had JJ).
Look, you said that you'd been playing tight-aggressive all night. Well, think of the hand from his perspective. If someone's been playing TAG against you and he raises 4xBB PF, you know he's not playing Q9. 88 is also unlikely. TT is possible, but with a T in your hand, you'll discount it. AT is almost as unlikely as Q9... what TAG comes over the top-- twice!-- with middle pair on a board like that? One that's bluffing, maybe?
So there's 5 hands he can put you on that you're beating him with, and 3 of those hands give him a 6 outs to suck. 2.5:1 return doesn't justify the call if his stack depended on it, but he'll more than survive the exchange if his read is wrong, and he gets info in the process.
I'm sorry your bluff got called, but based on this hand, your pal isn't Captain Luckbox.
To talk about myself for a moment: I had a SnG the other day where I was in a hand against someone who had 4x my stack. There were 4 players left, I was the small stack, he the big, top 3 get paid-- classic situation.
He'd raised pretty big PF and the board by the turn showed: 8s3s3d8h. I was out of position, but bet the flop to see if I could pick it up. He raised me and I took my time thinking about it before I called.
I checked the turn, so he went all-in. I had AsQs and the only question I asked myself was "Does he have an premium pair, and if so does my draw make the call worthwhile?" I finally decided that my draw's chances of hitting was greater than the chances that he had a premium pair. I was betting that he was steaming, 'cause I'd just doubled up through him with AA a couple hands prior and the only thing he said when he saw my aces was "lucky."
River was 6d and I won with Ace high. Turned out he had KQo and no shortage of insults to sling my way. He couldn't imagine how I was able to figure out that he didn't have anything on a board like that. The answer, of course, was in how he played. He busted out of the SnG in 4th (I didn't bust him) and I finished 2nd.
Sorry if I've derailed... your story just reminded me of that hand. Good luck in the future!
Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:43 pm GMT by TxShadow
| Tadzio wrote: | No offense, he might've been a horrible suck-out king, but I think he played that particular hand pretty well. Put yourself in his shoes.
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I'm sorry your bluff got called, but based on this hand, your pal isn't Captain Luckbox.
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In reference to | Quote: | | I'm sorry your bluff got called, but based on this hand, your pal isn't Captain Luckbox. |
I totally agree. I'm just bitter because he was making outrageous calls all night with less than premium hands (like this one) and catching his cards like crazy.
As far as the rest of your post, you made some good points. I knew in my gut that going all-in probably wasn't a good idea, and that I was beaten. However, I did try to put myself in his shoes. I thought to myself that I'd bet preflop, raised postflop with a J on the board, and raised the turn all-in when a 2nd jack hit; how could he rule out me having a J? I doubt he would have called on a gutshot with 1 card to come if he thought I had a set (even though he would have ended up cracking it anyway :p). I don't know, I guess in his mind, even if he called and was wrong, he would still have a decent amount of money.
If it was me in that situation, I don't think I would have assumed that my pair of T's was good. But maybe that's one of my problems 
Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:46 pm GMT by TxShadow
| Soup_dog wrote: | Brutal.
This is a bit of a leak I have in my game.
You have a strong starting hand but miss the flop.
After taking a stab at stealing the pot he plays back at you. At this point you should have checked/folded it to the river. Instead you convinced yourself a bigger bet would chase him out. Sure he was a luckbox bonehead, but he could have had a LOT of different hands to beat you.
I do this ALL the time... and it KILLS me all the time. I need to start giving other players credit for having better hands when they play back at me and I have diddly. I will be wrong sometimes, but I think it will save me more money in the end. |
Yeah, I guess I just assumed that if I represented something that was better than his hand, he would just have to lay it down. I guess I misjudged.
Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:40 pm GMT by Loonbat
| TxShadow wrote: |
Villain has been playing LOTS of hands, calling lots of bets, very loose aggresive. Been sucking out on people all night long.
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Your own words should tell you to lay it down.
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