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Bad play or bad luck



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:10 pm GMT by nightguard
I'm fairly new to the game. I am winning overall but I need to do better postflop. Played this game today I am kendud. What do you think? Do you think I should have played it differently? Ie. got out earlier.

***** Hand History for Game 3399174129 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 19, 16:33:52 EDT 2006
Table Beginners #1066265 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: wvu_mntr ( $69.65 )
Seat 5: UntoThisLast ( $32.40 )
Seat 10: pG_partyboy ( $24.16 )
Seat 9: Kendud ( $32.25 )
Seat 3: JUNIOR669111 ( $88.68 )
Seat 1: xxGAxx ( $26 )
Seat 8: JZ928 ( $13.50 )
Seat 7: striddy7 ( $17 )
Seat 6: johnnyhart1 ( $23.25 )
JZ928 posts small blind $0.25.
Kendud posts big blind $0.50.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kendud Queen of HeartsFive of Clubs
pG_partyboy folds.
xxGAxx folds.
wvu_mntr folds.
JUNIOR669111 calls $0.50.
UntoThisLast folds.
johnnyhart1 folds.
striddy7 calls $0.50.
JZ928 calls $0.25.
Kendud checks.
** Dealing Flop ** Two of Hearts Queen of Diamonds Five of Diamonds
JZ928 checks.
Kendud bets $0.50.
JUNIOR669111 calls $0.50.
striddy7 raises $1.
JZ928 folds.
Kendud raises $1.
JUNIOR669111 raises $1.50.
striddy7 calls $1.
Kendud calls $0.50.
** Dealing Turn ** Eight of Diamonds
Kendud bets $1.
JUNIOR669111 calls $1.
striddy7 raises $2.
Kendud calls $1.
JUNIOR669111 calls $1.
** Dealing River ** Five of Hearts
Kendud bets $1.
JUNIOR669111 folds.
striddy7 raises $2.
Kendud raises $2.
striddy7 raises $2.
Kendud calls $1.
striddy7 shows Eight of Hearts Eight of Spades a full house, Eights full of fives.
Kendud doesn't show Queen of Hearts Five of Clubs a full house, Fives full of queens.
striddy7 wins $21 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of fives.


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Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:17 pm GMT by supafrey
You didn't raise once. =P

Reraise on the flop - If you get played back into, you may want to let it go.

Once that flush draw hits, bet/fold.

River you call down.



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:18 pm GMT by zinn0
Played badly. Actually, played horribly. Don't minraise, thats pitiful. When he plays back at you, you gotta push.

edit-thought this was NL...my bad. Nothing you could really do here, except raise!



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:23 pm GMT by Tadzio
uh, definately bad luck.

You saw the flop for free. And the flop isn't solid suit. And you got 2 pair. I would never fold that. Pot seems like it was raised enough.

Turn comes a possible flush for someone, but it's only 2-bet. I'd call it.

River makes you a full-house. You gotta bet that until you're out of chips.

Well played, imo.

edit- zinn0, I'm pretty sure it's limit



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:27 pm GMT by Tadzio
supafrey wrote:
You didn't raise once. =P
.


He was kendud... he raised every time it made sense to.



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:44 pm GMT by Gunslinger
I agree with Tadzio. For the other guy to cap the betting after the flop with an medium underpair is definitely giving you the majority of the pot equity. When the turn comes, you're worried about a flush, not a set, so you just call. When you get a boat on the river, you're hoping that he made a flush and putting as many chips in the middle as you can. You can't worry about the small chance of a higher boat and definitely play that hand for max value. I think you played it great.


Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:50 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Your minimum raises are what did you in. When the villian came over the top on your first bet and you knew you had him beat even if he was holding AA, you should have re-raised.


Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:11 pm GMT by Tadzio
UrAteUp wrote:
Your minimum raises are what did you in. When the villian came over the top on your first bet and you knew you had him beat even if he was holding AA, you should have re-raised.


er... last time I checked 4-bets was the standard cap in limit poker. There was literally nothing he could do. There's 2 hands possible that beat Kendud... QQ and 88 (55=the impossible nuts). QQ would raise PF, and you can't guess that the person that capped the flop has 88. There's just no way to fold here.

He could've raised less on the river or folded on the turn even though his pot odds were 8:1 (9:1 if Junior called behind him... which he did) with substancial implied odds, but my god, man. That seems very weak to me.

This hand was played as well as I'd expect anyone to play it.



Posted Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:22 pm GMT by nightguard
Thanks for the prompt reply. I always send my hand history and he sends a report back. He says My pre flop pay is OK but I tend not to revaluate at the right time. Also he says I should learn to count to 3. That is with certain hands 2 players OK 3 fold. Twice in the last few days I lost with a straight to a FH on the river cos I didn't take notice of the 'I have a better hand than you' reraise. Somewhere my mind tells me that cos these players play crap cards in every hand I am not involved in (most of them) they will have crap in a showdown against me. But my bro says these are passive players and will go mad occasionally.
Yesterday I won another $15 (.50/£1) over 300 hands so I'm not doing too bad. I think there were 5/6 hands that I lost bad on including the above example.
There are a lot of poor players at my level and I'm far from even being average but I do know enough of the basics. I use a starting hand chart and I would say many of the hands shown at the end I wold fold preflop.

Maybe a reraise would have been best on the flop. I had the two top pair.
If I had reraised the turn and he reraised me I would have been worried.
Qxd Q8d/o? .



Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:33 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
I see nothing wrong here, outside of capping the flop and maybe raising the turn...two outer hit on you, nothing you can do.

Does anyone even actually read the posts anymore? Sheesh.



Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:23 am GMT by UrAteUp
Tadzio wrote:
UrAteUp wrote:
Your minimum raises are what did you in. When the villian came over the top on your first bet and you knew you had him beat even if he was holding AA, you should have re-raised.


er... last time I checked 4-bets was the standard cap in limit poker. There was literally nothing he could do. There's 2 hands possible that beat Kendud... QQ and 88 (55=the impossible nuts). QQ would raise PF, and you can't guess that the person that capped the flop has 88. There's just no way to fold here.

He could've raised less on the river or folded on the turn even though his pot odds were 8:1 (9:1 if Junior called behind him... which he did) with substancial implied odds, but my god, man. That seems very weak to me.

This hand was played as well as I'd expect anyone to play it.


Oh shoot. I thought it was no limit. My bad.



Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:41 am GMT by zinn0
UrAteUp wrote:
Oh shoot. I thought it was no limit. My bad.


I think the majority of us did.



Posted Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by lwestatbus
Tadzio wrote:
uh, definately bad luck.

You saw the flop for free. And the flop isn't solid suit. And you got 2 pair. I would never fold that. Pot seems like it was raised enough.

Turn comes a possible flush for someone, but it's only 2-bet. I'd call it.

River makes you a full-house. You gotta bet that until you're out of chips.

Well played, imo.

edit- zinn0, I'm pretty sure it's limit


I agree with Tadzio wholeheartedly. Sometimes you just get beat by improbable hands.






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