Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:20 am GMT by Miss_J
playing a tourny on sunday. never played this game in my life. any tips? :D
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:42 am GMT by snoogins47
| Miss_J wrote: | | playing a tourny on sunday. never played this game in my life. any tips? :D |
Is it high or high/low?
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:44 am GMT by Miss_J
actually it doesnt say.... i'll ask.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:12 pm GMT by Miss_J
ok it's Hi. so now, what do i do? :D :D lol
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:23 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Omaha is all about live combinations. Most new players see two good Hold'em hands and are ready to play--but remember, you are playing SIX Hold'em hands, not two, so the more live combinations you play, the better.
Some basic rules of strategy:
1. Don't raise with a big pair from up front. There isn't enough money in the pot to force others out. If you're going to play a big pair, remember that it's still best to have working straight and flush cards with it, and another pair helps as well.
2. Don't overvalue "naked aces"; that is, aces that have nothing to go with them.
3. Types of hands to play:
a. AAxx where xx is any pair. Bonus if you are single- or double-suited.
b. Axyz where xyz are three connectors--you want your ace to be suited.
c. Any four sequential connectors in position. Bonus if you got yourself suited cards.
d. A big pair with two broadway cards.
e. Most two-pair hands. You will flop a set a little less than 25% of the time.
4. Having 3 cards in one suit (or four) is usually not good for flush possibilities, but it can be good as a defense against an opponent making a flush in the same suit.
5. Pot odds, pot odds, and more pot odds... know your math for this game. Losers chase, while winners make the correct marginal decisions.
6. After the flop, you are looking for a big hand like a set, top two pair, a big nut-draw, or several good re-draws. Re-draws are huge here, and having a nut wrap straight draw with the nut flush draw is a favorite over almost any other hand.
High-Low is similar, but the goal here is to make a good high hand with low possibilities. Therefore, aces gain a lot of strength, and any A2 combination makes for a premium hand in a large multiway pot because you'll often make the nut low. Don't underestimate the god high hands like KQJT, because when it hits, there will rarely be a low draw against you. Remember to only draw to the NUTS in Omaha High-Low.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:35 pm GMT by Miss_J
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Omaha is all about live combinations. Most new players see two good Hold'em hands and are ready to play--but remember, you are playing SIX Hold'em hands, not two, so the more live combinations you play, the better.
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what do you mean by 2 holdem hands, and 6 holdem hands.....do you mean cards?
otherwise awesome advice. thank you!
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:46 pm GMT by snoogins47
One of the biggest things to remember post flop is that in general, made hands are much less valuable than in hold'em. The real big hands are made hands WITH redraws.
If you don't have two suited cards, you can't have a flush.
Try to mess around in your head, or on paper, or something, with straight-draws. In hold'em, it's easy to see. You have 4 outs for a gutshot, 8 outs for an open-ender, and occasionally a double gutter.
In Omaha, there are a lot more possibilities, and they're often hard to spot for novices. Hell, not just for novices. I haven't regularly played omaha in months, but even when I was playing on a daily basis, I'd still occasionally have to really stop and think like "wait, so how many outs do I have to a straight?"
You will invariably see better hands in Omaha. I hate general rules, but "one pair sucks multiway" is probably a good thing to think. "Two pair sucks multiway" is often fairly accurate as well. In general, the multi-way pots are the time to find really big hands and push the hell out of them. Shorthanded, the game becomes more interesting: hands that have a lot of MEDIUM potential become very powerful.
For instance, say the board comes down Qd 6d 2s. A hand like As Qs 3d 5d can get you into a LOT of trouble in a multiway pot, since there are so many times that every bit of your potential is worthless: I.E. your top pair isn't the best made hand, and somebody is drawing to a higher diamond flush. It's not that much of a long shot to be drawing to 3 outs here, that are vulnerable to redraws, despite the myriad possibilities.
In a shorthanded pot, especially heads up, hands like this (the sort of, mile wide, inch deep thing) often become very valuable, despite being forced to play in very murky waters.
Starting hands run very close in value in Omaha, purely from an equity standpoint. The "strength" often comes down to how well it can be played after the flop. Look for hands that, when played, can put you into a lot of good situations after the flop.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:47 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Miss_J wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Omaha is all about live combinations. Most new players see two good Hold'em hands and are ready to play--but remember, you are playing SIX Hold'em hands, not two, so the more live combinations you play, the better.
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what do you mean by 2 holdem hands, and 6 holdem hands.....do you mean cards?
otherwise awesome advice. thank you! |
You have 4 hole cards, and you must use two of them. Hence, there are six different two-card combinations that you have available to use in omaha.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:52 pm GMT by Miss_J
| snoogins47 wrote: | | Miss_J wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Omaha is all about live combinations. Most new players see two good Hold'em hands and are ready to play--but remember, you are playing SIX Hold'em hands, not two, so the more live combinations you play, the better.
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what do you mean by 2 holdem hands, and 6 holdem hands.....do you mean cards?
otherwise awesome advice. thank you! |
You have 4 hole cards, and you must use two of them. Hence, there are six different two-card combinations that you have available to use in omaha. |
ok i gotcha
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I was going to add to make sure to remember you can only play 2 of your hole cards. This comes from an experience at a home game of dealers choice and he picked 1/2 Limit Omaha. One of my friends playing had never played so we tried to give him a quick run down about the game. First hand delt everyone called to him and he raised. Needless to say he was raising on each round. When it got down to showdown he calls 4 of a kind and flipped 4 kings over. I thought the Omaha knowledgable people were all gonna fall out of their seats laughing. Well he did end up taking the pot as he had the K for the K high straight.... 
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by Miss_J
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I was going to add to make sure to remember you can only play 2 of your hole cards. This comes from an experience at a home game of dealers choice and he picked 1/2 Limit Omaha. One of my friends playing had never played so we tried to give him a quick run down about the game. First hand delt everyone called to him and he raised. Needless to say he was raising on each round. When it got down to showdown he calls 4 of a kind and flipped 4 kings over. I thought the Omaha knowledgable people were all gonna fall out of their seats laughing. Well he did end up taking the pot as he had the K for the K high straight.... |
ok ya i was gonna ask about this. thanks. i bet he was so pumped about his kings too!
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:01 pm GMT by snoogins47
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I was going to add to make sure to remember you can only play 2 of your hole cards. This comes from an experience at a home game of dealers choice and he picked 1/2 Limit Omaha. One of my friends playing had never played so we tried to give him a quick run down about the game. First hand delt everyone called to him and he raised. Needless to say he was raising on each round. When it got down to showdown he calls 4 of a kind and flipped 4 kings over. I thought the Omaha knowledgable people were all gonna fall out of their seats laughing. Well he did end up taking the pot as he had the K for the K high straight.... |
Yeah, that's cool, except he can't possibly make a straight with KKKK.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by Miss_J
zing!
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:36 pm GMT by UrAteUp
He can when the board has 9,3,10,Q,J.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:39 pm GMT by Johny
| UrAteUp wrote: | | He can when the board has 9,3,10,Q,J. |
No, he's only be playing one card, a King. KKKK only gives you a pair of Kings.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:55 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Huh? Then someone mis-called this guys hand. I didn't catch it then. I better go back and review my Omaha rules.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:02 pm GMT by Miss_J
from what i've learned today, you are limited to and must use 2 of your hole cards to make your hand! :D
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:59 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| UrAteUp wrote: | | He can when the board has 9,3,10,Q,J. |
His hand, using 2 from his hand and 3 from the board is:
KKQJT. He would need a King or an 8 ALONG WITH one of the cards on the board (9,T,Q, J) for a straight.
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:05 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| Miss_J wrote: | | from what i've learned today, you are limited to and must use 2 of your hole cards to make your hand! :D |
You will see so many beginners think they have a flush when there are 4 on the board and they have one in their hand. Another one to watch out for is this scenario:
Your hand: AK89
Board: AAQQ2
You do NOT have a full house. Your hand is AAAKQ. For anyone to have a full house in their hand, they have to either have AQ or 22 in their hand (If they had AA or QQ, they have quads, so who cares).
I recommend getting on your favorite poker client and doing a bunch of Play Money Omaha just to see how the final hands are decided. Don't use it for strategy too much, because...well...IT'S PLAY MONEY!
Good luck!
Posted Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:10 pm GMT by Miss_J
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | Miss_J wrote: | | from what i've learned today, you are limited to and must use 2 of your hole cards to make your hand! :D |
You will see so many beginners think they have a flush when there are 4 on the board and they have one in their hand. Another one to watch out for is this scenario:
Your hand: AK89
Board: AAQQ2
You do NOT have a full house. Your hand is AAAKQ. For anyone to have a full house in their hand, they have to either have AQ or 22 in their hand (If they had AA or QQ, they have quads, so who cares).
I recommend getting on your favorite poker client and doing a bunch of Play Money Omaha just to see how the final hands are decided. Don't use it for strategy too much, because...well...IT'S PLAY MONEY!
Good luck! |
i don't think i will forget to use 2 of my hole cards. this fact has been drilled into my brain now.
as for doing some test runs, i'm way ahead of you on that thought, i will definitely be putting my hold-em habit aside for the week and playing omaha on UB instead.
Posted Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:49 am GMT by Miss_J
So, i played and lost about 10,000 play moneys! many times i would just call right down to the river just to see how things usually play out so i could get a feel.
today i'm breaking out the old SS2 and reading that during lunch.
Posted Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:59 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Miss_J wrote: | So, i played and lost about 10,000 play moneys! many times i would just call right down to the river just to see how things usually play out so i could get a feel.
today i'm breaking out the old SS2 and reading that during lunch. |
I just got a great book, Championship Omaha by T. J. Cloutier. I should start reading it by this weekend. I am just finishing up re-reading SS2 Omaha section.
Posted Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:12 pm GMT by Miss_J
| UrAteUp wrote: | | . I am just finishing up re-reading SS2 Omaha section. |
and how was it?
Posted Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:26 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Miss_J wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | . I am just finishing up re-reading SS2 Omaha section. |
and how was it? |
I liked it. Informative but I felt lacking a little information that this other book I hope will cover.
Posted Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:01 am GMT by Miss_J
so i placed 5th out of 30. 1 away from the moeny. poop. otherwie loads of fun
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