Posted Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:04 pm GMT by Tadzio
Is the following situation a good time to leave the table? I felt myself tilt a bit after this, so I left, but I'm curious if people think this is a good time to stay at the table.
Game: No-limit hold 'em. Blinds .05-.10. 8-handed.
Stacks (estimations) --
Hero: 30.00
Villian01: 9.50
Villian02: 20.00
Villian03: 10.00
4 other players: don't factor in, really.
Reads:
Villian01: he just sat down, no read.
Villian02: Aggressive with a painted hand PF, solid play Post-flop.
Villian03: Aggressive when leading out, weak when facing a re-raise.
Position:
Hero: SB
Villian01: 1st left of UTG
Villian02: 2nd left of UTG
Villian03: UTG
Hero is dealt QQ
Pre-Flop action--
Villian03 raises to .30
Villian01 calls .30
Villian02 re-raises to 1.20
Folded to Hero
Hero re-raises to 4.00
BB folds
Villian03 folds
Villian01 calls
Villian 02 folds.
Flop --
T 8 7 rainbow
Hero puts Villian01 all-in
Villian01 instacalls.
Villian01 had J9s.  And I don't runner-runner a full, of course.
Pre-Flop, I was guessing Villian02 had a decent hand (AX) and wanted to push Villian03 and the blinds off the pot, which I was guessing would work, but I wanted to play a big pot against Villian02, so I re-raised, big enough to threaten to cripple the "small-stacks." When Villian01 called and Villian02 folded, I was suddenly playing against the wrong opponent and I didn't know anything about him, either. For some reason I defaulted and put him on the hand I'd assumed Villian02 had.
Flop, I had an overpair and I figured with the size of the pot, either I'd put Villian01 all-in, or he'd do it after a check and I'd be forced to call. I didn't want to feign weakness here with a check-call/check-raise because I was planning on using this hand to strengthen future bluffs. So, I fast-played it and put him all-in, figuring he'd either beat me with AA, KK, lose to me with JJ, TPTK/GK, or he'd fold. I didn't put much stock in him having AA or KK because he clearly wanted to see a flop (didn't push in PF though he seemed to commit himself to the pot). I definitely didn't give him credit for a straight.
This isn't a bad-beat. He put all his money in the middle with the best hand, but it felt freakin' awful, and after failing to cool down after watching a couple hands, I left the table. I think I was mostly pissed at myself for discounting J9 as a possible hand.
Part of me wanted to stay and wait for the right time to pop Villian01 for his questionable play in that hand, but I reasoned that I was on tilt at a table with several people that could now bust me, so I left with my winnings.
Would you have rolled with it and stuck around? Left as I did? Gone all-in PF in the next hand regardless of what you held? Bitched at Villian01 until he reported you for harrassment?
I'm know you all feel you would've played this hand better... you're all nostradomus, I'm sure. But I'm more concerned about whether I should seek anger management, or if my outrage was justified. It's something of a basic question and speaks to an important part of poker, imo.
What's a good strategy for knowing "when to walk away," knowing "when to run."
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Posted Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:54 pm GMT by golddog
I'd say your first strategy needs to be trying to control going on tilt, as you yourself identified.
When to leave the table? When you don't have an advantage any more. Can that be because you're on tilt? Of course.
However, those things can blow over. The thing to judge is whether you feel a) you have an advantage over the other players if you come back to normal and b) if you can come back to normal.
If those are both yes, maybe a break instead of leaving the table to get your head on straight.
Posted Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:46 am GMT by Muck
Looks like you played the hand fine. Pre-flop I would have been willing to pay off AA or KK.
On the flop, with no overcards, I’m pushing. I think the pot was too big to make any other bet, you’d just give him the odds to draw. You were unlucky.
IMHO 90% of the time you’d pick up the pot here (making it profitable). The rest of the time you’d either get a bad call and make even more or lose to better hand.
As for staying or going, I’d stay. You still have $20 left so no need to reload and there’s a cr*p play with a lot of chips. Sometimes one player is all you need to make a session profitable.
Posted Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by lwestatbus
Faced a similar situation playing 0.50/1.00 limit ring game. Found myself in a table full of wackos with 50-60% seeing every flop, multiple players cold calling raises with crappola and a couple of guys whose strategies seemed to be raise with any ace, suited cards, or pair and don't stop until showdown. They would call down with anything. Average pot was $10 with frequent $20+ pots.
I should have been able to sit on the sidelines, tighten up, and swoop in to mine the occassional monster pot. But, these SOBs were so lucky it was beyond belief. The problem for me was so many of them would play so badly and stay in the hand that one of them was bound to make a solid hand no matter what was on the board.
I normally leave a table if I go down $20 but I reloaded here because there was just so much potential. Didn't work. I never had the true nuts and those hands that would win 80% of the time kept running into the wacko brigade. (E.g., Pocket Aces: Wacko cold calls my raise with 5-7 offsuite; flop is A69, I bet out, calls by several; turn is 2, I bet, lose most except for wacko; river, you guessed it. This was typical.)
Anyway, I don't think I tilted. I recognized what was going on and tried to tighten up even more if possible but I finally gave up in disgust when I was down $30.
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