Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:45 am GMT by Skribbles
Situation:
NL100 @ PP
Hero has $300~
1 Player at the table covers, the rest are all around $100.
Hero is dealt AQo in the BB.
5 limpers and SB completes.
Heros option.
Check and see the flop or raise? Why?
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Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:49 am GMT by MJJ
raise at least 4x
might win there (unlikely)
will give you info on hand ranges so you can play post flop
-if you don't raise and flop comes A 2 2 (3 suites) and Sb bets pot- is it scare bet or did he have 2?
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:51 am GMT by MJJ
just got burned too many times limpin w/ good drawing hand-
(The bet also drives out a lot of small pairs)
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:20 am GMT by bigrazor
RAISE
the most important use of hands like AK, AQ, AJ is for raising. they're not that great calling hands, b/c the best case scenario is usually a coin flip. but raising with them adds the chance of folding to that coinflip. if everyone limped to that hand 6 handed, raise enough to get two or three of them to call. thats ur best bet man.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:31 am GMT by tame_deuces
Depends on how comfortable you feel like playing this hand OOP against this table. If you don't feel too comfortable this isn't a good hand to bloat the pot with.
I think there are tables where I would have raised this immediately, and there are tables where I just check it and let it go unless I hit the flop well.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:44 am GMT by Phil14312
| tame_deuces wrote: | Depends on how comfortable you feel like playing this hand OOP against this table. If you don't feel too comfortable this isn't a good hand to bloat the pot with.
I think there are tables where I would have raised this immediately, and there are tables where I just check it and let it go unless I hit the flop well. |
I agree with this. Very table dependent. A lot also has to do with your table image, are you a reckless big stack applying pressure whenever you can? Or have the other players seen you as patient and showind down big hands. The problem with raise is that if the first limper calls, then the rest seem to call in order. Now, you've made a huge pot with a good but not great hand OOP.
But, checking also leaves a lot of tricky situations.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:58 am GMT by Loonbat
Must raise, per other examples. Need to drive out the total dredges. Also, this will help you discover if someone limped in EP preflop with a monster.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Raise big preflop. Make standard continuation flop bet. Fold to resistance if not improved.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Raise. I would probably go about 3xBB.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:15 pm GMT by Loonbat
| Soup_dog wrote: | | Raise. I would probably go about 3xBB. |
Icky, bad bad ... most limpers would call to that raise and still outflop you ... I'd go 5x
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:35 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| Loonbat wrote: | | Soup_dog wrote: | | Raise. I would probably go about 3xBB. |
Icky, bad bad ... most limpers would call to that raise and still outflop you ... I'd go 5x |
Really? Maybe I better look into this. Might be a leak I have.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:39 pm GMT by Skribbles
Hero raised to $5.
All but one limper called.
Pot: $30
Flop: 2  2  5
SB Checks, Hero?
Edit: No for the good guy.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:07 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Ugh. Thats just gross.
I doubt anyone is going to believe you have a two or a 5 after the initial raise. You could take the pot now or give it up. You could try and represent the flush draw, but someone may really have a flush draw.
Hmmmm...
I think I would try and represent a big pocket pair and bet $15.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:38 pm GMT by gumbie
Easy check fold.
I wouldn't have raised from the BB with AQo there either.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:53 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Raising is definitely a viable option here, but I think checking is also definitely an acceptable answer here as well. The reason: you are unlikely to be dominated, and you are out of position. AQo may seem like a great hand, but it's a hand you need to hit the flop with.
I took a line like this once with this very hand, AQo. I decided to wait to take a flop, and if I hit top pair with a fairly inoccuous board, I would try for a check-raise on the flop or the turn. Otherwise, you throw the hand away with minimal risk... the beauty of this play is that opponents won't usually put you on AQ.
Raising is a good option too, however, but slightly riskier. If you're going to raise, I'd raise at least 75% of the pot.
Posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:53 pm GMT by Loonbat
| Skribbles wrote: | Hero raised to $5.
All but one limper called.
Pot: $30
Flop: 2 2 5
SB Checks, Hero?
Edit: No for the good guy. |
YUCK - and even if you had a diamond, only about a 4% chance for running diamonds. Buh bye hand ...
Posted Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:58 am GMT by Phil14312
You got all limpers except 5 to call, that puts you in about the worse possible position. Check/fold here. Someone could easily have something like 88 they aren't going anywhere with.
Posted Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:21 am GMT by Skribbles
Hero bets $25 into a $30~ pot.
All fold to SB who calls.
Turn: 7 
SB checks, Hero?
Edit: SB only has $50~ left and the pot is currently @ $80.
Posted Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:06 am GMT by Phil14312
Bet another $25, fold if he c/r, hope he has a naked flush draw and you can check it down on a blank river and win with ace high. If he calls on the flop I don't think this guy is going anywhere...you have some showdown value but trying to get there the cheapest should be your biggest concern.
Posted Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:51 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Phil14312 wrote: | | Bet another $25, fold if he c/r, hope he has a naked flush draw and you can check it down on a blank river and win with ace high. If he calls on the flop I don't think this guy is going anywhere...you have some showdown value but trying to get there the cheapest should be your biggest concern. |
Here's where I'll disagree. If you think he's drawing, I fire in a big bet, maybe all-in. If you think he's trapping, I check it behind him, plan to surrender or check/call the river if an ace or king hits. Read is everything here.
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