Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:08 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Okay this happened earlier today in a live mtt i done at the casino. 5,000 Tc, and it in the 2nd level 100/200 blinds. I have around 5,800 and am in late, 2 people limp into me , I find 3 5os, but its a weak table and i played relatively tight so i pump it up. To 1100 to play, surprisingly both call.
Flop comes down A 7 9 (rainbow i prettty sure)They check to me, i notice one of them has me the other has around 3,900. I not in love with that flop, but I gotta take a stab right?
I fire out for 2,000. First guy fold, the other calls  . What you got him on ? And should I have bet the turn or surrender?
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Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:12 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Why would you risk 50% of your stack on a stone cold bluff?
I wouldn't have bet the flop. I certainly don't bet the turn.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:16 pm GMT by Ciso_B
they limped , so there kickers IF they have an ace cant be strong ( these opponents pretty standard), Im representing AK or at worst AQs, so im betting out in hope one would pass a weak Ace, if they convicted enough to call with weak kicker then wp to them.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:24 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Ciso_B wrote: | | they limped , so there kickers IF they have an ace cant be strong ( these opponents pretty standard), Im representing AK or at worst AQs, so im betting out in hope one would pass a weak Ace, if they convicted enough to call with weak kicker then wp to them. |
Yeah, we can safely ignore the possibility of 99 or 77 because it's convenient for your bluff and we can also eliminate A9s or A7s because a tight player would never limp with those hands either and they certainly would never read your raise over two limpers as a play instead of a good hand and they certainly can't put you on KK-TT and think their Ax might be good anyway.
I've changed my mind and I'd push the turn. There's no way they can call.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:32 pm GMT by ScanX
watched too much WPT
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:33 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Sean it may be convenient for my bluff , but its also true people dont flop sets as easily people think. You think if i was holding Ax i am worrying about 999 or 777? Sure i could be crushed but im taking a shot at it to see, i cant give up once im called pre flop imo.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:39 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
YOU HAVE THREE-FIVE AND IT'S NOT EVEN SOOOOOOOOOOOOTED!
This whole thread is like trying to come up with a reasonable answer to the question, "What sexual position do you use with Angelina Jolie first?"
NONE OF THEM, BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:01 pm GMT by Ciso_B
phuff lot of hostility, forget that i raise with trash ok ? Thepoint of this post is can he be bluffed on turn or river?
Is it wortwhile me sticking it all in or should I surrender, not "OH i raise with 5 hi, flop hasnt given me anything and i bet im against a set "(as all you cautious online pricks assume in these threads!).
So I take it from your hostile responses you give up the bluff on the turn , thank you that all i needed to hear.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:17 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Ciso_B wrote: | | phuff lot of hostility, forget that i raise with trash ok ? |
It's hardly hostile. And that fact that you raise with garbage, I think, is basic to the problem. You're in an untenable position that you created trying to get "cute" in the second level of an MTT against two limpers.
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Thepoint of this post is can he be bluffed on turn or river? |
He has committed a higher percentage of his chips to this pot than you have. What hand do you think he could have that can call that flop bet and won't call that same bet on the turn? (You can't bet much more than 2k, since you donked off the rest.)
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Is it wortwhile me sticking it all in or should I surrender, not "OH i raise with 5 hi, flop hasnt given me anything and i bet im against a set "(as all you cautious online pricks assume in these threads!). |
Anyone who's had to experience the horror of my play firsthand knows that "cautious" and me don't often collide in the same sentence. There's a specific $200NL hand that comes to mind...
| Ciso_B wrote: | | So I take it from your hostile responses you give up the bluff on the turn , thank you that all i needed to hear. |
And you still don't see where you went wrong.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:19 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
if he calls u on flop then u just have to accept that he wont lay down his hand, specialyl since u cant put in all that big of a bet anyway
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:24 pm GMT by Ciso_B
thats the funny thing he did fold lol on the turn, I figure he has to put me on AQ/AK cos i raised big pre flop then on flop then all in the turn. Factor in i played pretty tight aswell and havent done anything crazy in the hour we had played up till this hand.
He had an Ace he said when he folded, I thought he did. I rarely do anything that crazy in live mtt btw.I wasjust wondering if im insane movein on turn lol.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:35 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Factor in i played pretty tight aswell and havent done anything crazy in the hour we had played up till this hand. |
You can learn almost nothing about a live table in one hour. That's probably, at most, 30 hands. Anyone can be perceived as "tight" in that time period. All it takes is a couple orbits of 92o to give that impression.
| Ciso_B wrote: | | I wasjust wondering if im insane movein on turn lol. |
Yes, but that wasn't what this thread was about, was it?
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:52 pm GMT by Ciso_B
keep quoting me prickless wonder.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:53 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Ciso_B wrote: | | keep quoting me prickless wonder. |
I'd be interested in hearing how you finished in this MTT.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:59 pm GMT by Ciso_B
top 10 pay i came 11th lol
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:14 pm GMT by snoogins47
Methinks you may want to reconsider asking for advice on a hand, when you intend to call people moronic names if they think you may have played less than perfectly.
I will participate in the spirit of the original thread, and ignore anything up until the turn. My question to you: can you come up with a hand that would call you on the flop that should EVER fold the turn, getting close to 5:1?
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:20 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Ok , here is what i thought snoogins. I thought hes limped after another caller, and he has a called a sizeable raise AFTER the original caller called.
He could have had something like A 10 ? or A2-A5suited. I see alot of these loose casinos players call with Any ace.When flop comes and he only called he is calling hoping i slow down on turn.
I thought hmm if he had anything strong now or had any conviction with his Ace he would just stick in his last 2,000 or whatever. I know hes hoping i check it down to river now, he doesnt want to stick it all in cos i could well have him outkicked. So he just calls, then when i go all in the turn hes thinking he not beating much cos if i had a hand like KK or QQ why would i move all in?
Sure he was getting nice odds on the turn and maybe its +ev to call BUT im sure you are aware that some of these casino players dont play odds as much as the serious poker player.
Sorry for the long response but there is some reason to the insanity.
Posted Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:31 pm GMT by kompis
| Ciso_B wrote: | | i'm a prickless wonder. |
hey ciso, i know it was a tough beat but no need to be that hard on yourself
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