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Posted Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:33 pm GMT by Ciso_B
okerStars Game #3985628209: Tournament #19613542, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2006/02/15 - 21:24:30 (ET)
Table '19613542 39' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Halfrek (35445 in chips)
Seat 2: PMJackson21 (27279 in chips)
Seat 3: FromDaU (11574 in chips)
Seat 4: mathcamp (41565 in chips)
Seat 5: Neab (92871 in chips)
Seat 6: panthertom (10995 in chips)
Seat 7: Hawaii (77688 in chips)
Seat 8: MaIidroit (39644 in chips)
Seat 9: lips014 (56095 in chips)
Halfrek: posts the ante 75
PMJackson21: posts the ante 75
FromDaU: posts the ante 75
mathcamp: posts the ante 75
Neab: posts the ante 75
panthertom: posts the ante 75
Hawaii: posts the ante 75
MaIidroit: posts the ante 75
lips014: posts the ante 75
FromDaU: posts small blind 600
mathcamp: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
Neab: calls 1200
panthertom: folds
Hawaii: folds
MaIidroit: raises 2400 to 3600
lips014: calls 3600
Halfrek: folds
PMJackson21: folds
FromDaU: folds
mathcamp: folds
Neab: raises 89196 to 92796 and is all-in
MaIidroit: calls 35969 and is all-in
lips014: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Neab said, "yuck"
Neab said, "hmm"
*** TURN *** 
lips014 said, "dont do it"
*** RIVER *** 
Neab said, "maybe it my day"
Neab said, "no"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neab: shows (a pair of Kings)
MaIidroit: shows   (a pair of Aces)
Neab said, "lol nice hand man"
MaIidroit collected 85213 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 85213 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Halfrek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: PMJackson21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: FromDaU (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: mathcamp (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Neab showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: panthertom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hawaii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MaIidroit showed and won (85213) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: lips014 folded before Flop
The guy was playing pretty agressive up till this point, i knew he had to have something strong but AK suited is nice, I didnt want to play it out of position post flop and thought this would either get them to fold and win a nice pot or i get called by one and at worst 50-50 really.
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Posted Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:38 pm GMT by kompis
i saw the play unfold and tbh ciso, i think u played it well. Just unlucky he had american airlines. COME BACK!!!!!! I WaNT
Posted Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:47 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Dude, you got to learn AK is a drawing hand and most anyone playing QQ, KK or AA (as in this case) is going to push back. The way I would have played this hand is by calling his raise. After the flop if I was first to act, then I would make a pot sized bet. If he comes over the top then lay it down because he has either a bigger PP (which he did) or two pair. If he flat calls the check the turn. If he bets then flat call unless it is all in, then lay it down.
Posted Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:48 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I like it.
Posted Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:50 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Yeah I know AKs is drawing hand, but alot of people re raise with weaker then AK when K hi comes, especially with 2 rags, i re raise with small pps just to test the other guy. Plus with nut flush draw aswell, I really wouldnt fold on flop. Thanks for the input tho, u think i should have called right. I be honest i dont like races anyway in mtts i avoid them if i can(turned out way worse then 50-50), thats why i am asking if the push was a good or bad move.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:35 am GMT by suitedaces84
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Dude, you got to learn AK is a drawing hand... |
It would be really nice of Snoogins to explain why the title of "drawing hand" is meaningless for the 30th time.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:38 am GMT by Phil14312
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | Dude, you got to learn AK is a drawing hand... |
It would be really nice of Snoogins to explain why the title of "drawing hand" is meaningless for the 30th time. |
Quoted for the truth.
Also, I think the play is only bad when the opponent flips aces, which he did. Without knowing anything about the structure of the tourny, I like it.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:41 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
| Ciso_B wrote: | | ...thats why i am asking if the push was a good or bad move. |
Had he been holding QQ, would you have posted this hand?
And AteUp, you must get bluffed off a shit ton of pots. Flop TPTK and nut flush draw...and fold if a guy comes over the top? Eek.
I like it, even if he flips aces, because he won't flip aces that much. Especially in rebuy tourneys (assuming PS rebuy since I've seen you play them a bunch before), the goons just love those AQs and AJs, even post rebuy period.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:44 am GMT by UrAteUp
Ok...ok...the play wasn't terrible. I can't say it was because we all have pushed with AK one time or another (most times it always ends bad for me...lol). My point here is AA is a good trap hand early in a hand. The longer it goes the worse the chances of AA winning but in many situations you are going to win. If not it wouldn't have as high of numbers as it does.
Now ham tell me your not going to get suspicious if your holding TPTK and you just bet a pot size bet only to have someone come over top of you or push all in? Never heard of two pair? Sets? or AA? Heck I have seen hands where AA gets beat by someone playing 22. It happens and what I am saying is AK really isn't a hand you want to push that aggressive with in MOST situations. Yes you could call his 3xBB bet and see the flop. Yes you could then bet a pot size bet to gain information but to push pre-flop in this spot of a tournament is not the best way to play AK and that's the point I am trying to make.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:18 pm GMT by Phil14312
I tend to think that simple calling with AK is a weak play unless you have a rather large stack. If you are short-stacked, you should be pushing anyways. A medium-stack, I generally re-raise enough that doesn't leave me pot committed after the flop. If that is the case, its push or fold, and generally, that means push not fold. Being the aggressor with AK allows you to take down a lot of those pots pre-flop with the original raiser holds something like 88-JJ.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:49 pm GMT by gumbie
The next person to call AK a drawing hand will be sent the bill for my new monitor.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:19 pm GMT by tame_deuces
AK rules!
Posted Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:51 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I hate AK with a passion, but with the information you had, I don't think you played the hand poorly. I probably would've played it differently, but that's because I'm biased toward that particular hand and it always loses lots of chips for me. Once bitten twice shy and all that crap.
You made the right play in making him decide if his hand was worth all of his chips. It just so happens that this time, it was. Not being results oriented, I say you made a good play.
AK is a drawing hand. 
Sorry, the smartass in me couldn't resist. 
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Posted Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:24 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Yeha guys, everyone knows AK has an EV of +1!!!!
I mean it's so basic, come on!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally though, I would have come out raising rather than limping, because a re-raise by another player says a hell of a lot more than just a raise after you limp in. With that information, maybe you could lay AK down. Also, I don't know that you had to put in all your chips; maybe just a healthy re-raise would do. Then you know you're in bad shape if he comes over the top.
Posted Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:54 pm GMT by Hungry4Knowledge
AK is never a huge favorite.... Its great vs. people overplaying weaker aces like A-Q or A-J and vs. any other pocket-pair then aces and kings its great to.... In a tight table its a scary hand to re-raise all-in with but its not a bad play in most cases (I belive) I dont enjoy limping with good hands in early position (atleast if its not a VERY good hands) But i never get away from A-Ks unless its in a extreme situation (Such as 2 big stacks all-in in front of me) Its unlucky he had the rockets but that kinda things happens
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