Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:12 pm GMT by jonesyb
Blinds 150/300
PorkyFenman $3,790 small blind
jonesyb $4,240 big blind
kalangis612 $2,680
fastmoor $1,180
TIGGER66 $6,110 button
jonesyb has Jc 8s
kalangis612 folded.
fastmoor raise to 880 and is All-in
TIGGER66 folded.
PorkyFenman folded.
pot 1630... 880 to call.
What did I do?
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Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:17 pm GMT by zinn0
Hopefully you folded.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:20 pm GMT by Phil14312
| zinn0 wrote: | | Hopefully you folded. |
Its that simple huh? I mean, he is getting about 3:1 on a call when villain has an M of like 3. That guy is pushing 80% of his hands, I make the call and am pretty sure I've got two live cards. You be surprised how often he flips 67 or 8T or something you are even ahead of.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Hmmmm..... a chance to knock someone out for about 1/4 of your stack. Those aren't very good cards but I think I would call.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:33 pm GMT by zinn0
| jonesyb wrote: |
jonesyb $4,240 big blind
fastmoor raise to 880 and is All-in
pot 1630... 880 to call.
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Ok, it's only 530 to call. I misunderstood the action...Yea, I think I make this call @ 3.25-1
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:04 pm GMT by jonesyb
| zinn0 wrote: | | jonesyb wrote: |
jonesyb $4,240 big blind
fastmoor raise to 880 and is All-in
pot 1630... 880 to call.
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Ok, it's only 530 to call. I misunderstood the action...Yea, I think I make this call @ 3.25-1 |
No it's definately 880 to call.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:11 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| jonesyb wrote: | | zinn0 wrote: | | jonesyb wrote: |
jonesyb $4,240 big blind
fastmoor raise to 880 and is All-in
pot 1630... 880 to call.
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Ok, it's only 530 to call. I misunderstood the action...Yea, I think I make this call @ 3.25-1 |
No it's definately 880 to call. |
Then it is worded wrong or is misleading. The history said Villain RAISED TO 880 total, when in fact he called the 300 blind and raised all in for another 880.
2:1 odds with J8o....I fold this and let him steal my blind for this time around.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:20 pm GMT by zinn0
Ok, I revert to my original decision. Easy fold.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:05 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
With that amount of chips with that blind structure, I fold too. No sense risking a healthy stack with this many people left. J8 is a little weak. With a hand like A8s I might think about getting frisky.
But, calling isn't as bad as some might believe, at least not tactically. It stands a good chance of getting you a lot more chips and a tough table image. It's a gamble, but feasible. Still, strategically, I don't like putting a healthy stack on the line just to teach someone to slow down their play.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:07 pm GMT by zinn0
Diamond, to say that J8 is a little weak is a complete understatement.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:12 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| zinn0 wrote: | | Diamond, to say that J8 is a little weak is a complete understatement. |
I have a knack for that. 
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:22 pm GMT by Phil14312
Ok, at only 2:1 that might make me lean to fold. However, Zinn, I think you might be underestimating the odds of J8 against a variety of hands. You are only in bad shape against 88-AA, AJ, KJ, and A8. However, villain will be pushing a wide variety of hands and will often flip over crap, even that you are ahead to. Against AK you are getting the right odds to call, plus to knock someone out in the late stages. Not saying getting 2:1 in this spot I would call automatically, but similar situations may come up where a loose call or two isn't as bad as it seems.
Posted Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:25 pm GMT by zinn0
You might be right Phil. I guess he would still be in 3rd place even if he calls and loses. I'm too weak tight though.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:35 am GMT by tame_deuces
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | It stands a good chance of getting you a lot more chips and a tough table image. |
This is so true. Call a shortstack's all-in with J8 and you're sending a message. 'You better have the goods honey.'
Might be more handy in a tourney where you know you will be playing for a while with the same people though.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:27 pm GMT by jonesyb
| Dat_Dude wrote: |
Then it is worded wrong or is misleading. The history said Villain RAISED TO 880 total, when in fact he called the 300 blind and raised all in for another 880.
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Sorry about that. It was pretty much ripped from VC/Doyles awful hand histories. Will remember that for nex time.
Anyway, I did actually call. He had AQ and took down the pot.
I thought it was a very very hard decision. Usually if I am unsure I fold. So I was quite unhappy that I called.
Now looking back at the hand I do think I shoud have folded even though there are some arguments for a call here.
Edit/ Sorry... I left info out of the original post. 
I had very recently doubled up from about 1000 chips... then after that went on a great run of cards and didnt show a hand down till this point. If this helps?
Posted Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:59 am GMT by TheSalche
foooooooold you have jack 8 stupid
pot odds arent goooot enouf for u
here
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