Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:05 am GMT by Casey ATB
I'm having a difficult time reconciling the logic of a player declaring himself/herself to be 'Sitting Out' at the start of a hand, and then being able to change that option and play in the hand, after the first two cards are dealt. I just don't go along with that.
Knowing the number of eligible players in a hand, which players are in a hand, and the locations of those players, will often affect my playing/betting/mucking strategy.
Is my position unreasonable? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on this.
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Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:34 am GMT by madmark27
I don't see much of a problem with people sitting out. I sit out when I need to get up and get a beer or something. I'll also sit out if I'm just having a bad go at it and am just getting bad cards. Now, I have seen people get mad and complain when a person does it for an extended period of time during the start of tourny. I guess it's a strategy that might work for some people, by just folding and paying blinds, hoping alot of people get busted out in front of them. The only problem with that is when they finally decide to play, they are usually way behind the leaders and the blinds have caught up to them. They end up having to play bad hands just to stay ahead of the blinds. So, I figure those people that sit out for a long period of time end up hurting themselves because of having to play from behind.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:39 am GMT by galderon
| Casey ATB wrote: | | I'm having a difficult time reconciling the logic of a player declaring himself/herself to be 'Sitting Out' at the start of a hand, and then being able to change that option and play in the hand, after the first two cards are dealt. I just don't go along with that. |
This is a tournament structure I'm guessing? So even if someone gets up and walks around, he still gets dealt cards, right?
I'd say that declaring is not binding, when it's something along the lines of "I'm sitting out this hand". Deal him his cards anyway, and if he happens to be at the table when it is his turn to act, he can muck or play them, as desired. If he's not at his seat when action comes to him (and he's not running back to his seat), muck the cards and move on.
If he instead, he declares "Fold" before he gets his cards, and he's first to act, it's arguable that it should be binding. Even if he's not first to act (and thus would be acting out of turn), it depends on house rules, his hand might be dead.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:44 am GMT by Casey ATB
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm not against anyone 'sitting out,' and I've had to do it on occasion myself. That's all well and good to me, whatever your playing strategies are. Sit out any time you feel a need to. No problem.
However, when the button shows 'Sitting Out' when the hand starts, I take that as a declaration that the player is out of the hand, period.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:50 am GMT by ORGrinder
okay... so here's the deal... in a trny if their sitting out they're still dealt cards (unlike ring game). not only this, but they still have to post their blinds. so, if they're on the BB, they've posted their bet already. if ppl just call the BB, then that person is still eligible to play their hand.
once someone bets though, if that person isn't around to call, then they are folded (after they time out online). if, however, they can get back to their hand prior to being auto-folded, they since they've paid their way into the hand (the BB) they have a right to play said hand.
make sense?
if they're not on the BB, then they're autofolded once they time out. generally if they've marked themselves as sitting out, it's instant and no time is alloted (online)... but i suppose this might be different for different softwares.
also, if they're sitting out and get back prior to the action getting to them on the first round, they have the option to play still.
basically, all "sitting out" means in a trny is that, basically, you're granting permission for the dealer to check-fold you. you're technically still playing though, in the sense that you get cards and are forced to post your blind.
is that what you meant?
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:02 pm GMT by madmark27
Ah. I was mixed up there Casey. My bad. 
What ORG wrote is what I would say on that.
Posted Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by galderon
Using a "sitting out" button is only valid in ring games, and in that case, the player shouldn't get cards, and thus, there is no problem.
If you're playing tournament instead, don't use a "sitting out" button. To sit out, just stand up. (If you really want to use the button, it's effectively the same as the player not in his seat -- as ORG said, the player can rejoin the action at any time as long as his cards haven't been mucked.)
Nothing the player says about sitting out is binding, since the only valid verbal actions are "bet", "raise", "check" and "fold". If he decides to act out of turn, you'll have to decide how acting out of turn is handled according to your house rules.
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