Wish I could play AA really bad and still win |
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Posted Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:17 am GMT by Ciso_B
okerStars Game #4022893157: Tournament #19613822, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/02/19 - 02:11:53 (ET)
Table '19613822 5' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 321BOOM (4475 in chips)
Seat 2: BUCKFAN2 (2955 in chips)
Seat 3: Monodon (1065 in chips)
Seat 4: Neab (3130 in chips)
Seat 5: kinghighaz (775 in chips)
Seat 6: BlackHole702 (3405 in chips)
Seat 7: caddo68 (6660 in chips)
Seat 8: Reby97 (1425 in chips)
Seat 9: wardriver25 (1765 in chips)
BlackHole702: posts small blind 25
caddo68: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
Reby97: folds
wardriver25: calls 50
321BOOM: calls 50
BUCKFAN2: calls 50
Monodon: folds
Neab: calls 50
kinghighaz: folds
BlackHole702: raises 50 to 100
caddo68: folds
wardriver25: calls 50
321BOOM: calls 50
BUCKFAN2: calls 50
Neab: calls 50
*** FLOP ***   
caddo68 is sitting out
BlackHole702: bets 200
wardriver25: folds
321BOOM: folds
BUCKFAN2: folds
Neab: calls 200
*** TURN *** 
BlackHole702: bets 3105 and is all-in
Neab: calls 2830 and is all-in
Neab said, "wow"
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlackHole702: shows   (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
Neab: shows (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Neab said, "thats harsh"
BlackHole702 collected 6610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6610 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: 321BOOM folded on the Flop
Seat 2: BUCKFAN2 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Monodon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Neab showed and lost with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 5: kinghighaz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BlackHole702 (small blind) showed and won (6610) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 7: caddo68 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Reby97 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: wardriver25 folded on the Flop
I thought there was a slight chance he had AA, but tbh why would any serious player min raise into so many limpers out of position. LOL, I smooth call the flop thinking im golden then that turn comes. funny game poker.
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Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:01 am GMT by UrAteUp
Plan and simple Sisco...he is a true donk. Only a donk could min. bet AA and still win with it...lol. Dang you had the nut hand and I can't understand his push after that flop. AA is clearly beat with that flop and if the poker gods hadn't smiled on him and gave him the 3rd A, you would have clearly cleaned his stack for him. Tough break but you played it as good as you could.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:23 am GMT by 1988 TR
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Plan and simple Sisco...he is a true donk. Only a donk could min. bet AA and still win with it...lol. Dang you had the nut hand and I can't understand his push after that flop. AA is clearly beat with that flop and if the poker gods hadn't smiled on him and gave him the 3rd A, you would have clearly cleaned his stack for him. Tough break but you played it as good as you could. |
The push was on the turn, not the flop.....
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:23 pm GMT by greathuskie
you slowplayed an extremely strong but slightly vulnerable hand and he caught up, its not his fault
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:44 pm GMT by Geno
| greathuskie wrote: | | you slowplayed an extremely strong but slightly vulnerable hand and he caught up, its not his fault |
How heavily would you play Kings over Queens given that no-one can have a better boat at that stage and only an Ace on the turn with someone holding AA can be beating you after the next card?
You played it absolutely fine, he got sickenly lucky and didn't learn a lesson about slow playing Aces.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:19 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| Geno wrote: | | greathuskie wrote: | | you slowplayed an extremely strong but slightly vulnerable hand and he caught up, its not his fault |
How heavily would you play Kings over Queens given that no-one can have a better boat at that stage and only an Ace on the turn with someone holding AA can be beating you after the next card?
You played it absolutely fine, he got sickenly lucky and didn't learn a lesson about slow playing Aces. |
I would slow play also, but AK also beats him with an Ace on the turn.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:34 pm GMT by supafrey
| 1988 TR wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | greathuskie wrote: | | you slowplayed an extremely strong but slightly vulnerable hand and he caught up, its not his fault |
How heavily would you play Kings over Queens given that no-one can have a better boat at that stage and only an Ace on the turn with someone holding AA can be beating you after the next card?
You played it absolutely fine, he got sickenly lucky and didn't learn a lesson about slow playing Aces. |
I would slow play also, but AK also beats him with an Ace on the turn. |
Yeah.. meaning that there would have to be an Ace show up regardless on the turn for us to POSSIBLY be concerned. That's 3 cards (4 to start, minus the one minimum ace the opp. would be holding) left. I think that's as safe a time to slowplay as one would expect.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:03 pm GMT by flafishy
My question would be, Why are you even playing KQ?
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:07 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| flafishy wrote: | | My question would be, Why are you even playing KQ? |
That's easy to answer...because it is two face cards...  ...seriously I have to ask myself the same thing. KQo is not a strong hand but seeing how it was min. raised pre-flop I might be tempted to play it as well. It isn't the worst hand a person could play even though it does lack some strength.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by tame_deuces
4 players in the pot....then a min raise, and everyone calls and hero closes....
Seriously, this hand is easy: AA played horribly in this hand and a boat flopped with KQ is more than strong enough for some slowplaying if you wish it. Then hero ran into a 2-outer.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:23 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Dude , theres been several limpers im in position on all of them and its very cheap. I would literally never fold KQ pre flop in this situation.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:06 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Dude , theres been several limpers im in position on all of them and its very cheap. I would literally never fold KQ pre flop in this situation. |
Yes, extremely easy call.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:41 pm GMT by greathuskie
i never said dont slowplay it, i would everytime without a thought
however kings over queens IS a vulnerable hand, and he caught on you for relatively cheap
you cant blame him
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:36 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Its annoying cos he min raised letting me hit, then he gets outdrawn and he still wins lol! It isnt his fault that another Ace came, but if he played the hand well i dont lose the pot, he polayed it bad and he won. That was why it was frustrating.
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:58 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| greathuskie wrote: | i never said dont slowplay it, i would everytime without a thought
however kings over queens IS a vulnerable hand, and he caught on you for relatively cheap
you cant blame him |
Huh? At best he has 2 (if holding AA) or 3 (if holding AK).
Kings over queens is not something I would classify as vulnerable on that flop. If you classify that as vulnerable, what isn't vulnerable?????? One out? Only the stone cold nuts on the river???
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:37 pm GMT by Jauron
| 1988 TR wrote: | | greathuskie wrote: | i never said dont slowplay it, i would everytime without a thought
however kings over queens IS a vulnerable hand, and he caught on you for relatively cheap
you cant blame him |
Huh? At best he has 2 (if holding AA) or 3 (if holding AK).
Kings over queens is not something I would classify as vulnerable on that flop. If you classify that as vulnerable, what isn't vulnerable?????? One out? Only the stone cold nuts on the river??? |
I agree, after that flop he's supposed to go broke here.
I also dont understand the drama over playing KQ in this spot, what in the world are you guys playing if you can't play KQ to a small raise in a multi way pot?
Bad luck, but it happens. Not the way I'd have played AA from the sb, but I've watched people slow play AA to great success before.
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:26 pm GMT by Soup_dog
quote="Jauron" | 1988 TR wrote: | | I also dont understand the drama over playing KQ in this spot, what in the world are you guys playing if you can't play KQ to a small raise in a multi way pot? |
I was wondering the same thing.
I would think KQ was worth at leat a call to see the flop. After the flop it gets tricky though.
The odds of an ace appearing on the board is directly related to the size of the pot versus the size of your chip stack.
If the pot is less than 5% of your chip stack, no worries. The board will be ace free.
If the pot is between 5% & 20% of your stack, an ace will apear on the board. There is a 50% chance one of the other players has an ace.
If the pot is between 20% & 50% of your stack, one or two aces will appear on the flop and one of the other players will always have an ace.
If the pot is greater than 60% of your stack, not only will an ace appear on the flop, the biggest "tool" at the table will have pocket aces.
PockerTracker has confirmed these numbers for me. It's amazing how accurate they are for hands like KK, QQ too.
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:11 pm GMT by greathuskie
it obviously was vulnerable if he lost, he had the nuts on the flop yes, that was all over on teh river
im NOT saying that he should have played it any different, bet more or whatever, im just saying you cnat blame the guy with aces for hitting his card on the turn
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:48 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| greathuskie wrote: | it obviously was vulnerable if he lost, he had the nuts on the flop yes, that was all over on teh river
im NOT saying that he should have played it any different, bet more or whatever, im just saying you cnat blame the guy with aces for hitting his card on the turn |
Just because the hand lost, doesn't mean it is vulnerable. You can flop quad aces and still lose.
I don't blame the guy for hitting his ace on the turn. He just got lucky is all. He sounds like a guy who is new to poker & hasn't yet experienced getting his aces cracked by slow playing.
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