Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:51 am GMT by Phil14312
This is the hand of the day so if anybody saw just wait until some people chime in before you say what they had as the answer:
Right from Cardplayer's Website:
" A $40-$80 game. The under-the-gun player puts up a live straddle. You raise from early position with the A-A. A middle player, both blinds, and the straddler call. There is $600 in the pot and five players. The flop is: Q-J-8, giving you an overpair. Both blinds and the straddler check. You bet and the middle player raises. The small blind calls, the big blind folds, and the straddler calls. What do you do?"
I read what they put and thought that this question is a very good situation to think about in middle-high limit games.
Lets see what everyone thinks.
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Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:42 am GMT by Dat_Dude
Is the flop rainbow?
I would personally 3-bet it and see where you are at on the turn.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:59 am GMT by Dave B
I call.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:58 pm GMT by supafrey
I'm poor, and the disqusting nature of those stakes would make me jam trying to get every possible bet ^_^
however, the smarter play is probably to call it and disquise the value of your hand for the time being.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by MJJ
<would like to know suites, stack sizes, and amount of raises, but...>I think you need to reraise or fold here-
with 8 J Q there are a lot of str8 draws out there (and a made str8 if someone played 9 10) and a set or 2 pair is not unreasonable (straddle player could have any 2)
I would reraise if I could (big enough to reasonably shut out a draw, but not so much that I would be pot committed)
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:22 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I would raise too. There are two many players in this pool. You need to try and chase some out.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:46 pm GMT by Gunslinger
| MJJ wrote: | | I would reraise if I could (big enough to reasonably shut out a draw, but not so much that I would be pot committed) |
It's a limit game, all pre- and post-flop bets and raises are $40.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
If you want to protect your hand, the best move is to wait to check-raise on the turn to protect your hand against the early position callers. Raising on the flop will cost each of them only another 0.5 BB.
I'd call. If no 9 or 10 (or third of a suit) comes out, I prepare to C/R on the turn.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:28 pm GMT by MJJ
| Gunslinger wrote: | | MJJ wrote: | | I would reraise if I could (big enough to reasonably shut out a draw, but not so much that I would be pot committed) |
It's a limit game, all pre- and post-flop bets and raises are $40. |
I REALLY need to start reading more carefully...
I would reraise this and lead out on turn if there is not 4 to a str8 or 3rd of a suit
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:10 pm GMT by MJJ
And as I think about it a little more, I also lead out after turn if scare card hits, hoping he will put me on whichever hand would be made by that card...
I will let the bullets go to reraise on turn
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:24 pm GMT by Phil14312
Sorry, the flop is two-suited as well. It does kinda make a difference.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:48 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I would call.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:54 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Phil14312 wrote: | | Sorry, the flop is two-suited as well. It does kinda make a difference. |
Call and wait for the turn because you can't protect your hand anyway, and your equity isn't strong enough to really make and extra bet worth it. Bet or check-raise the turn if it's an inoccuous card (depends if MP was likely trying to buy a free card), and check-call or check-fold depending on action if an evil card hits.
So let's hear Cardplayer's solution... I'm sure it beats mine. 
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:14 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Call.
Am I the only one more concerned with the two cold calls in EP than the MP raise? I'm very very surprised if I get to see the river on this hand without spiking a set on the turn.
Posted Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:53 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| Soup_dog wrote: | | I would raise too. There are two many players in this pool. You need to try and chase some out. |
Good luck with that. But I'm afaird no one is going to put in two on the flop then fold for a third here.
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:54 am GMT by Phil14312
" You should just call, not reraise. The raise on your left with a board of Q-J-8 is very ominous. You could easily be facing two pair or a set. Furthermore, the raiser may make it four bets, costing you that much more to continue when it looks like you are chasing. It is possible he could be raising on a flush-draw, but it seems unlikely, given your early preflop raise and his call of $120 cold, although A (diamonds)-K (diamonds) is possible"
I think the bottom line is look at what hands cold-call 3-bets in MP. Probably something like QQ or JJ or A  K . However, adding in the blinds calling and the straddler puts QJ, 9T, and all sorts of pairs + gutshots into the mix that leaves you with a small equity.
I thought it was a good hand to think about.
Posted Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:08 am GMT by Dave B
This kind of goes along with the 6/12 flop set of As hand. Your raise isnt going to get you information, anyone calling has odds to call again, you might be beat. If it goes rag rag you might want to bet out on the river, but any raising here might just be throwing money at a bad hand where you are not the favorite.
AA is nice, but it is just a pair.
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