Posted Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:50 pm GMT by Far East
Does anyone think that there are players as good as Mike in Rounders?
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Posted Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:16 pm GMT by Dave B
Phil Ivey won $16.6 million in 3 days of ring games against an experienced player and math whiz.
What more evidence do you need?
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:56 am GMT by snoogins47
I bet even Phil Ivey couldn't put people on hands like Mike did in that Judge's game. But, there still seem to be people that are frighteningly good. All we really know about Mikey, is that he beat middle limit games for enough to put him through school. That's far from out of the question
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:26 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
| snoogins47 wrote: | | I bet even Phil Ivey couldn't put people on hands like Mike did in that Judge's game. |
If phil can't then i'd bet Ted Forrest could.
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:44 pm GMT by TxShadow
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | snoogins47 wrote: | | I bet even Phil Ivey couldn't put people on hands like Mike did in that Judge's game. |
If phil can't then i'd bet Ted Forrest could. |
Funny you should say that. While reading this post, I was thinking about how watching Ted Forest put people on hands reminds me of the Judge's game scene in Rounders. It's amazing to watch someone accurately do that. Daniel N is pretty decent at it too.
I doubt that there's anyone that could go around an entire table, not having observed any of the players previously, and say exactly what cards they held. I'm sure people could get reasonably close though.
What game were they playing in the Judge's game btw? Was it stud? It's been a while.
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:59 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
I like how he tells Teddy KGB about his blatantly obvious tell in that gigantic game...wut a waste....and wut kind of idiot produces such a terrible tell anyhow?
btw, i'm moving this to poker in movies and tv
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:06 pm GMT by Geno
He doesn't tell him. In fact, isn't there a piece of narration that basically says "I've spotted his tell, the last thing I am gonna do is say anything"? 
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:10 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
"The rule is, you spot a man's tell, you don't say a f*ck word. I finally spotted KGB's, and normally I would have let him go on chewing those Oreos until he was dead broke. But I don't have that kind of time. I only have until morning. Even Teddy KGB isn't immune to getting a little rattled."
And yes, they were playing 7 Card Stud at the Judge's game.
I doubt anyone could read with such accuracy just at first glance, but I've seen players make some phenomenal reads. How else would Ted Forrest know that his pair of deuces were good against Chad Brown's nothing in the 2004 Stud event? Or Marcel Luske's famous: "Kings are good... your pocket Kings." And let's not forget Stu Unger, who may have been the only guy who could read players in a Rounders-esque fashion.
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:16 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Geno wrote: | | He doesn't tell him. In fact, isn't there a piece of narration that basically says "I've spotted his tell, the last thing I am gonna do is say anything"? |
Just saw it a couple nights ago, so it's fresh in my mind. He folded top two face up and called Teddy's flopped straight. It didn't take Teddy long to figure out why.
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:19 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
alrite, well he doesn't flat out tell him "I know you've got it when you eat yer cookie"....but he does "lay down a monster" when he really didn't have to, thus making it obvious to teddy that he gave away a tell, who then realizes the that he is a cookie monster bafoon...
so he eats when he is happy...i thought ppl tended to do that when they were sad?
also, i agree, the judge game reads in 1 minute were ridiculous
btw, ace nine was the hand that broke the hero....look at the very bottom of this page....coincidence?
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:01 pm GMT by Geno
| Sid Lambert wrote: | | btw, ace nine was the hand that broke the hero....look at the very bottom of this page....coincidence? |
According to Adam, yes. I asked him about it a while back, he claims Ace Nine LLC is named after a big hand he remembers winning back in his early poker days while holding Ace Nine. As usual, I could be wrong.
Sid is right.
Posted Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:12 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
aww....i like to think it was cuz of the movie, cuz 'just some hand er wutever' isn't nearly as fun 
you ruined my innuendo geno 
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by TxShadow
| Sid Lambert wrote: | alrite, well he doesn't flat out tell him "I know you've got it when you eat yer cookie"....but he does "lay down a monster" when he really didn't have to, thus making it obvious to teddy that he gave away a tell, who then realizes the that he is a cookie monster bafoon...
so he eats when he is happy...i thought ppl tended to do that when they were sad?
also, i agree, the judge game reads in 1 minute were ridiculous
btw, ace nine was the hand that broke the hero....look at the very bottom of this page....coincidence? |
If I'm not mistaken, it's not that he eats when he's happy. I think he eats the cookie whole normally, but if he has the nuts he nibbles it. Horrible tell, I agree.
And yeah, the reason Mike let Teddy know that he'd spotted his tell was that he wasn't going to have enough time to take full advantage of the knowledge so he sacrificed it for the advantage of putting Teddy on a bit of tilt.
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by cayouche
| Sid Lambert wrote: | | so he eats when he is happy...i thought ppl tended to do that when they were sad? |
The tell was actually when he split the cookie. When he splits it next to his ear, he has it, when he splits it in front of him, he doesn't. Or the otherway around, haven't seen the movie in a while...
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:33 pm GMT by TxShadow
| cayouche wrote: | | Sid Lambert wrote: | | so he eats when he is happy...i thought ppl tended to do that when they were sad? |
The tell was actually when he split the cookie. When he splits it next to his ear, he has it, when he splits it in front of him, he doesn't. Or the otherway around, haven't seen the movie in a while... |
I think he always splits it. I thought the nibbling vs. non-nibbling was the key. I'm no where near as good as Mike McDermot though so what do I know?? 
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:36 pm GMT by cayouche
| TxShadow wrote: | | I think he always splits it. |
Yeah he does. It's next to his ear vs. in front of him. Watch the movie one more time, you'll see... 
Posted Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:40 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
I can't remember exactly which it was, but it was obvious during the movie....thanks for the correction
Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:34 am GMT by lwestatbus
Back to spotting other players hands: Chris Moneymaker was through town a few months ago and played poker with some sportswriters. They reported that after twenty minutes or so of play he was calling off hands with remarkable accuracy. On one of the WPT events a final table player was a poker dealer, I think from Reno--in fact I think it was the Reno tourny from 2005. Anyway, this guy said that he realized while he was dealing that he could tell what people had so he switched over to playing.
I have been known to have difficulty spotting what I have in my own hand. See my poll under Poker Psychology on drinking and playing poker.
Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:58 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| cayouche wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | I think he always splits it. |
Yeah he does. It's next to his ear vs. in front of him. Watch the movie one more time, you'll see... |
But he only eats it when he has a hand. Where he splits it has little to do with it. The reason you know it's the eating and not the splitting is Mike's voice-over where he says, "Now normally I'd let Teddy go on chewing on those Oreos until he was dead broke, but I don't have that kinda time."
Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:01 pm GMT by cayouche
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | But he only eats it when he has a hand. Where he splits it has little to do with it. The reason you know it's the eating and not the splitting is Mike's voice-over where he says, "Now normally I'd let Teddy go on chewing on those Oreos until he was dead broke, but I don't have that kinda time." |
Hey! John Malkovich told me personally. I think he must know...
Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:11 pm GMT by cayouche
No seriously... it can be both actually. When he splits it to his ear, he eats it too, so... everyone's right!! 
Posted Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:26 pm GMT by Gunslinger
The writers from Rounders answer a lot of questions about the movie, including the oreos:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060420
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