Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:39 pm GMT by Ryan231
I've played 1 hand so far in this game, I'm up about 250 nothing much but a decent little pot considing its only about hand 11 or 12. The one guy opens for 100, (5x BB raise) he's been doing this alot and I've played 1 pot with him and been watching him - He seems very weak on the flop unless he holds the case hand. The other guy I haven't got much on him, he's seems like the typical player that loses a big pot at the start of the tournament and then pushes with a reasonable hand fairly quickly.
What would you guys have done? I'm getting a good price but I'm not sure I want to take a 600+ chip hit at this point for it will put me shortstack, but winning could bring me up into the lead.
Seat 1: SimonSH ($770 in chips)
Seat 2: chubbs50 ($2,240 in chips)
Seat 3: T0NY71ny ($780 in chips)
Seat 4: LordGorgo ($2,180 in chips)
Seat 5: stormscoming ($630 in chips)
Seat 6: piqued ($1,430 in chips)
Seat 7: ryan231 ADKC ($1,730 in chips)
Seat 8: Pro dollar ($2,110 in chips)
Seat 9: Friskie16 ($1,750 in chips)
Seat 10: arbitrary ($1,380 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Friskie16 posts blind ($10), arbitrary posts blind ($20).
PRE-FLOP
SimonSH folds, chubbs50 folds, T0NY71ny calls $20, LordGorgo bets $100, stormscoming bets $630 and is all-in, piqued folds, ryan231 folds, Pro dollar folds, Friskie16 folds, arbitrary folds, T0NY71ny folds, LordGorgo calls $530.
FLOP board cards 2HAS7C
TURN board cards 2HAS7C8D
RIVER board cards 2HAS7C8DJH
SHOWDOWN
stormscoming shows QHQS
LordGorgo shows 6DAH
LordGorgo wins $1,310.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Pro dollar
Pot: $1,310
SimonSH, loses $0
chubbs50, loses $0
T0NY71ny, loses $20
LordGorgo, bets $630, collects $1,310, net $680
stormscoming, loses $630
piqued, loses $0
ryan231, loses $0
Pro dollar, loses $0
Friskie16, loses $10
arbitrary, loses $20
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Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:11 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Against a raise and a reraise, you're undoubtedly up against a pair in at least one of those hands. Folding is fine is this spot, especially since you've committed NOTHING to the pot yet.
AK IS NOT A DRAWING HAND, but it was a safe bet you needed to improve in this case
Posted Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:17 pm GMT by Gunslinger
You also can't look at it as only a $630 call, because there are three people after you who haven't played yet, plus the first limper, plus the original raiser, and three of these five people have you covered, and could potentially raise you all-in as well.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:17 pm GMT by UrAteUp
One way to avoid someone calling after you when you do decide to call an all-in pre-flop like that is to come over the top of the original all-in bet. It might have kept that A-rag hand out of the pot and given you the winning hand.
I disagree that AK is NOT a drawing hand. AK is easily beat by 22 if it does not improve. That makes it a drawing hand.
Some say you played it right, but others will say you played it wrong. Personally I would have pushed. If you lost it was only 630 chips from your healthy stack. Getting that 630 would have made your stack even bigger. If the A-rag did go in as well then you would have had him severly dominated and could have garnered an even bigger pot and most likely chip lead.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by Dave B
I think in this spot you need to go all in, call or fold.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:03 pm GMT by JpForum
It was a good fold once u saw his cards but i would have re-raised all-in to frighten the other guy off
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:00 pm GMT by Johny
| Dave B wrote: | | I think in this spot you need to go all in, call or fold. |
Don't forget the EV is +1, so you could make the semi-bluff by making a pot sized bet on the river.
On a more serious note, I think I'm pushing in that situation to try and isolate the all-in player. If this was a low limit SnG than pushing is probably better.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:49 pm GMT by snoogins47
poooosh.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:58 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Can we get someone smarter than me to write up a nice post about why AK, while in its simplest terms is yes in fact a drawing hand since it needs to draw an ace or king to beat pairs, is STILL NOT A DRAWING HAND in a different sense of the term drawing hand. I just said drawing hand a lot. drawing hand drawing hand drawing hand
A strong case could definitely be made for pushing, probably isolating the pusher and racing, but as Sean said, given a raise and reraise, AK is more often than not behind against quasi-normal players. Having not put any chips in, folding=goot. Save those chips and get them in in a better spot.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:32 pm GMT by Phil14312
A drawing hand is no better/worse than a made hand, it is simply nomenclature. All that matters is what percentage the freaking hand wins.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:48 pm GMT by snoogins47
I dunno if I fit the criteria, Ham, but I've ranted about the same thing countless times... even wrote an "Article," which was also just a rant, on it.
I've given up being longwinded about it. Phil is right, "Drawing" and "Made" are arbitrary distinctions.
UrAteUp: What makes AK a drawing hand? "needing to improve to win?" That means KK would be a drawing hand, againt AA. But it'd be a made hand against QQ. That seems silly. Is it "needing to improve to beat 22?" Because then there are a good number of hands that are THE FAVORITE over 22, that would be 'drawing hands.' That seems silly.
In the end, it's just silly.
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