Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:41 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Old hand here, but the details should be pretty much correct. It is an interesting hand for me, because I rarely peg people on specific hands which I did in this one.
25NL 6-max..Can't remember stacks but I cover BB who has about 120BBs or so.
BB is a typical low stakes weak/tight nut peddler who folds to much and raises too little. He probably thinks I am a bad LAG running hot, who knows - maybe he is right.
Folds to me in MP with Q  J
I raise 4x,folds to BB who calls.
Flop is: A  K  T
BB checks, I pot, BB min-raises, Hero...?
Can I push here?
If not, what do I do, and what should my plans be for the turn&river?
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Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Can I push here? |
I can't follow the action. Was it BB that check/minraised and not MP?
Assuming that's the case, I call and let him hang himself on the turn. I'd only be concerned if the board pairs. You're taking a bit of a risk here, but I don't think you can stack him with AK or AQ by coming over the top here.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:57 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Edited my post. Was HU to the flop and BB check/min-raised me.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:12 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I push and hope he doesn't hit the full house.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:14 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I fully expect villain to lead the turn. The amount will dictate how quickly you can get the rest of your chips in. If he doesn't lead, 1/2 pot it to look tentative. Maybe he'll bite.
The only thing that would scare me would be a small lead from villain on an A, K or T turn. AA, KK, AK and perhaps AQ are all in play here. In that case, I'd be inclined to call, maybe even minraise yourself to try to get him to expose his hand or see a cheap river.
I'm leaning toward two-pair here, and I'll take my chances with a turn card before stepping on the gas.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:20 pm GMT by Dave B
I just call and hope he bets in again. Maybe a low heart comes and you can freeroll him if he has the same hand.
If he has a set, he only has 7 outs at this point, so he is only 14% to improve on the turn. Q or J might also counterfiet you, but it wont kill you.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:25 pm GMT by cayouche
| Dave B wrote: | I just call and hope he bets in again. Maybe a low heart comes and you can freeroll him if he has the same hand.
If he has a set, he only has 7 outs at this point, so he is only 14% to improve on the turn. Q or J might also counterfiet you, but it wont kill you. |
Agreed.
If the flop brought a flush possibility, then I would probably push.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:34 pm GMT by Tadzio
I like both calling and pushing equally here. Good question! A check/min-raise exudes confidence to me, especially from a "nutpeddler." If your read is correct and he thinks you're super LAG, I like a push here more than a call.
I don't think you can get away with representing a hand worse than bottom-pair+inside straight draw, so there's more cards than A, K, T that can come on the turn to kill your action than you might suspect. Any face card on the turn will disrupt your play-- Q, or J will kill your action; A, K or T will make you want to showdown cheaply. However, if any blank hits the turn, you'll probably be able to do what Sean suggests, which is a very nice way to take money from people.
Flip a coin. Heads you push, tails you call.
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:57 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Thanks for the replies all.
This hand is one of those that has bothered me a little when reviewing my session, its one of those hands were it so easy to be results oriented because of what happened and not see what may be the best way to play the hand. BB was pretty weak and could without doubt fold alot of hands to overbets.
Tadzio's point on a Q or J killing my action is good, I actually didn't think of that when I was sitting there (damn timers).
Being a little hotheaded (I had just gotten killed on 2 beats for 2 stacks each) I pushed my chips in.
BB thought for a short time and called.
Anyone want to call out his hand for fun? 
Posted Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:14 pm GMT by wizzwizz
I'd say that in this situation if you think that villain will call an all in with his set you should probably reraise or push. Bear in mind that he could always catch on to you if you slowplayed here. If your table image depicted you as one who might try a bluff here with a lesser hand then I think push, or at least reraise. I guess calling isn't too bad either because he may put you on some sort of pair with straight draw or lower set and try to get you out of the pot by leading strongly at the turn.
Posted Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:53 am GMT by howzit
this is 25 max right, this calls for call flop, and then on the turn, all you ucan eat!
in the higher games, i'll 3 bet here. and then if i get called, take my time and check on the turn. i want to represent AK and then get scared by their call. hopefully, a tricky player will interpret that as a AT, AK and use that to push me off my hand with whatever hand they have.
Posted Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:53 am GMT by Soup_dog
I would put him on an AT.
Posted Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:16 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | A check/min-raise exudes confidence to me, especially from a "nutpeddler." If your read is correct and he thinks you're super LAG, I like a push here more than a call. |
Quoted because I agree.
I would put him on AK or JJ.
Posted Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:10 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Uups, forgot my little quiz.
Villain showed TT for bottom set.
He didn't improve and fumed alittle about that, so I turned off the table chat.
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